Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

fire7882

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I bought a parts motor last week and these gauges were thrown in. I would like to use them on my project boat but almost all the needles are broken. Does anyone know how these gauges come apart?

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Silvertip

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

Nope -- you have a bunch of junk gauges.
 

fire7882

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

Thats what I thought but figured I'd ask. Oh well :/
 

fire7882

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

With little to lose and some careful observation, I cut them open. I set the table saw to cut at the right depth and very carefully rotated the gauges above the highest part of the blade with the faces against the rip fence.
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I was left with a little black lip on the face that the gauge would slide on when it's time for reassembly.
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Perfect fit. I will most likely use aluminum tape to join them back together so they could be separated again if I need to do so.
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This before and after shows where the cut made the area smaller where the light comes around the edges of the gauge but I doubt I'll be using this boat at night anyway.
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Ready for new needles
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Silvertip

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

Nice job. Where do you plan to find needles that fit the pins and once the needle is removed, how do you plan to recalibrate the gauge. I guarantee you will not get the needle back in exactly the same position. You can use plastic cement to glue the bezels back on. Lowes has two part primer and cement glue that works very well. Tape will not hold the gauge because its the bezel that is pulled against the console when the "U" bracket is tightened.
 

fire7882

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?


Thanks, hopefully this experiment will work out.

Where do you plan to find needles that fit the pins and once the needle is removed

I'm just going to remove the brown/orange part and glue a painted needle on the small black plate. Not sure what material yet but I'll hopefull figure something out tonight.

how do you plan to recalibrate the gauge. I guarantee you will not get the needle back in exactly the same position.

Shouldn't be a big issue because I'm leaving the plate in place. If the needle I glue on is a hair off, It shouldn't be enough to matter. I have another tachometer I will hook up as well to make a comparison.

You can use plastic cement to glue the bezels back on. Lowes has two part primer and cement glue that works very well. Tape will not hold the gauge because its the bezel that is pulled against the console when the "U" bracket is tightened.

I thought of this as well and agree. I'm still going to try and think of a solution where they could be removed again. I'm working on them now while I watch TV and could have the needles on tonight.
 

flargin

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

Have to ask...

how did you come about a full set of gauges that have all broken needles? is that a sun thing? the rest of the units don't look like they have been sitting in the sun that long...

Good luck, love the really unique projects.

Any thought of shaving the old needle off of the top, and then glue new "needles" back onto the top... Ok I was thinking of a frilly drink swizzle stick as a new needle..
 

fire7882

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

Have to ask...

how did you come about a full set of gauges that have all broken needles? is that a sun thing? the rest of the units don't look like they have been sitting in the sun that long...

I'm not sure why they were all broken. I bought a parts engine and the guy threw in the gauges and controls. Everything came off of a pontoon he is planning on turning into a floating dock. I imagine he pulled the console and threw it on the ground, causing the sun-baked and brittle needles to break.

Good luck, love the really unique projects.

Thanks. So far I think it's going to work.


Any thought of shaving the old needle off of the top, and then glue new "needles" back onto the top... Ok I was thinking of a frilly drink swizzle stick as a new needle..

That's what I'm going to do minus the frilly drink swizzle stick :D I still haven't come up with an idea for the needles. Off to the garage to look.....
 

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

As you are no doubt aware you can send gauges for rebuilding, most anything can be repaired...if you have the money of course.

That being said I imagine you are looking at saving a few dollars and doing it yourself, here is what has worked for me in the past.

You can purchase thick film mylar in different colors with adhesive backing, if you are careful with an Exacto knife you can cut out slivers for use as a needle and stack them together to get the thickness you require, I fabricated a punch die to make a number of slivers of the exact same size to do this job but with patience you could do this by hand. The layer of adhesive acts as a stiffener and enables you to have a long needle that won't deflect under its own weight. Another option is to use an old taillight lense and cut sections out in a needle shape and with a belt sander and fine sandpaper get a workable non-opaque needle that only needs polishing with a dremel to be perfectly clear. Luminescent paint can be purchased at any hobby supply or Michaels store for the tip if that kind of thing floats your boat.

These methods will get you a needle that can be glued to your existing stem, removing the stem carefully is of utmost importance of course. Watchmakers use special "hand removers" or "needle vises" for removal and can be purchased at a watchmaking supply company, here is a partial listing of suppliers;

http://www.horologysource.com/ToolsParts.htm

If you can tell I have done this type of restoration before but unless the gauge was extremely rare or hard to find...it was a last resort for repair. It is always cheaper to find a new replacement. BTW if you need to glue the housing back together any 5 minute epoxy can be mixed with carbon black powder to make an opaque glue to prevent light intrusion from behind, small amounts of carbon black can be made by using a oxy/acetlylene torch with a rich acetylene mixture aimed at a metal plate, the carbon will be deposited on the plate and can be scraped off for use as a powder.

To be honest I wouldn't tackle this job only because a complete replacement set is not that expensive but I understand that if you have the time and inclination...no one if going to stop you!

Hope this helps. :)
 

fire7882

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

Thanks for the info 4JawChuck but I'm not looking for something as nice as those methods would produce. I doubt I'll use something transparent and have even considered just using painted toothpicks or a cut to length small zip tie. A new gauge set is at least $100 and so far I only have about 3 to 4 hours in it. Most importantly, I consider it a challenge and enjoy tackling something I have never done before.

These gauges will be going on budget project boat I have been working on for some time so a perfect appearance isn't super important Click here for build thread. I stopped working on them a while ago but plan to finish them tomorrow after I make a decision on the needle material.
 

fire7882

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

All done. I eneded up using small zip ties cut to shape and superglued them in place. I painted them white so they will be more visible at night since the lights won't work as well after the cuts.

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4JawChuck

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

Wow turned out really nice, good work!:)
 

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Re: Is it possible to replace gauge needles?

Nice work. They look like new.
 
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