Is motor too big for my boat

katbird

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I have a 1986 Ranger 350V with a 120 hp johnson and it takes forever for the boat to get on plane. some told me on this forum a while back that my motor was too small. the boat is 18'4" long and weighs 1050 lbs without the batteries and gas tanks and other gear. I bought a 1999 mercury optimax 200 hp to replace my older motor. the johnson weighs close to 400 pounds and the mercury weighs 600 pounds. my question is will my boat be over powered too much or will it be ok. my other boat was only rated at 85 hp and I ran a 115 mercury on it without any problems. i'm hoping someone else has tried this before. thanks in advance.
 

steelespike

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

A merc 85 and a 115 are basically the same weight. And you were running 30 hp over the rating roughly
30%.The only 99 200 Mercs I found were about 400 lbs.
About the same as the Johnson.But you are increasing the power by about 70%.If the optimax is 600 lbs WOW! The whole key is What is the boat rated for.While 120 hp is a little short on the boat you described I would think a healthy 120 with a proper setup it would get up fairly well.Unless you run with a boat load of people and gear.
 

katbird

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

steelespike said:
A merc 85 and a 115 are basically the same weight. And you were running 30 hp over the rating roughly
30%.The only 99 200 Mercs I found were about 400 lbs.
About the same as the Johnson.But you are increasing the power by about 70%.If the optimax is 600 lbs WOW! The whole key is What is the boat rated for.While 120 hp is a little short on the boat you described I would think a healthy 120 with a proper setup it would get up fairly well.Unless you run with a boat load of people and gear.
 

katbird

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

thanks steelespike, I could be and probably mistaken about the weight. the motor and cardboard box container all weighed 660 pounds. the motor could only weigh 400 plus pounds.

katbird
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

quit aggravating that penguin. don't have an accident. or you'll be homeless.
 

steelespike

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

Take a closer look That's a croc biting a guy on the head.Why he would put his head there is a bit of a mystery.And he's not reopening the mouth it is just the
video restarting.I don't think you can open a crocs mouth unless he lets you.
 

troypolla

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

ouch. I bet that left a mark.
 

Solittle

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

How is the 120 running? It should power an 18'6" quite well - - not a screamer but well. What rpms are you getting at WOT?

Oh and I agree with tashasdaddy about you being homeless if you overpower & have an accident. Lawyers love that.
 

atticus3600s

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

It was never stated what the boat was rated for, the 120 should be decent if it is in good shape.
Be careful if you are overpowered because if you get in an accident its unlikely that your insurance will cover you.
 

WillyBWright

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

150 was the max Hp for tournament boats back then and every online classified I see has a 150 or smaller on the back. So while I don't have the spec, I assume that is a 150Hp max boat. While the max tournament Hp has gone up, no tournament will let you enter an overpowered boat. It's also illegal in many states. I would think your current setup would do will with a 17" aluminum prop, up to a ventilated 21" stainless. Anything steeper and you're overpropped.
 

tashasdaddy

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are you sure, the boats not holding water in the foam? take it down and have it weighed. subtract engine, trailer etc. i've got a 88spl on a 900lb center console, that runs out at 45 mph, and just jumps on plane. so a 120 should perform pretty well on that hull.
 

katbird

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

Thanks guys,
the boat is rated for 150 hp. the 120 johnson takes a long time to plane out and i'm afraid i'm going to get hit by another boat while i'm looking up at the sky waiting for the boat to plane.my boat is heavy and i believe that the 200 merc. will make it get up and go. there is no law that I know of in n.c. about over powering a boat. I talked to a sales rep. at a local marina and he told me that just about all of the boats on the water are overpowered. I am concerned about weight. the merc weighs 526 pounds while the johnson weighs 365 pounds which is only 161 pounds different. I did'nt want to make a sudden stop and the back of the boat fill up with water because the boat already sits low to the water.

katbird
 

steelespike

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

161 lbs is close to half the weight of the 120.
Have someone sit on top of your 120 and see how it looks in the water.Adding 160 lbs right at the transom isn't exactly going to improve the handling. Obviously that 200 will get it out quicker but I bet you'll get a serious bow rise!Your getting a 50% increase in weight at the transom and a 70% increase in power it doesn't sound like a good safety formula to me.Have you done anything to get the best out of the 120?
If you pick the right motor you could get 150 hp with only about a 20 lb difference in weight. And a GPH close to the 12 of the 120 instead of the 20 of the 200.
 

Nova II 260

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

Katbird,
Not to harp, but I believe Tashasdaddy has the key to your boat.
 

kenmyfam

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Nova said:
Katbird,
Not to harp, but I believe Tashasdaddy has the key to your boat.
And thats a heck of a thing to rule out without buying another motor !!!
 

Texasmark

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

I had a 17' Ranger Fisherman (680C) with a '89 115 tower on it and when I first bought it I peaked it at 55 mph. I re-propped for skiing and still could run high 40's .

The 680C is 16' 11" , 80" beam, 115 hp rated, and weighs 875.

Your 350V Commanchie is rated for 150 hp and is 17' 10" , 82" beam, correct on the dry weight ot 1050 (per the Ranger sales brochure.

My boat was not that far from yours and the hulls were pretty close to being the same with pads and all.

I had a Merc SS prop of about 21" (may have been 19, but no less) which may have been a Turbo I and was ported. With the ports, my hole shots were good enough to pull a 250 guy (me) outta da hole on a slalom with 3 in the boat and still run the high 40's when the holes closed off.....but not with the ski load I mentioned...with just me in there.

So there is a benchmark for you. You either have boat or engine problems and once solved, you may be happy with your current rig.

Those boats were "upright foam floatation" designed putting most of the foam high in the boat. The water ran down a tunnel in the keel area to the stern. Unless the boat has been sitting full of water or was submerged, I doubt seriously that foam absorption is the problem. The foam in my boat was urethane spray and blocks, and had a coating sprayed over the exposed parts to seal it. You can inspect the hull externally for flaws.

The '97 sales brochure shows the 200 EFI Merc (2.5 liter) weighing in at 408 lbs with the 20" shaft. That puts you 50 hp over the rating. Should buy you problems down the line if you install it.

Might want to get some specs on your current engine's operating parameters and post here and let the guys have a whack at solving your current problem or go find yourself a 150. A 150 should put your boat at least in the high '50's and to do that you will have enough power for a great hole shot.....with the right prop of course.

HTH

Mark
 

WillyBWright

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

You might ask the dealer if they work on overpowered boats. Don't ask the salesman. He's obviously full of ****, willing to sell you an inappropriate motor just for a little profit for his pocket. Ask the Service Department.

Consider this: Any dealer willing to cheat USCG Regulations for profit is willing to cheat anybody for profit. You included! I'm afraid you're already a victim. Sorry for your misfortune, but let the buyer beware.
 

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Re: Is motor too big for my boat

Please get him to put what he told you in writing, then when you don`t come back some day from fishing your family will be well taken care of!8)
 
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