Is This Motor Worth Buying??? (compression results)

butteco

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Okay so I went and spent a good 2hrs going over this old 100HP Merc. motor on the Carlson boat I want to buy. The motor is about a 1965. I pulled the cowling off and everything looked pretty clean (for 35+ years old). The owner takes really good care of the motor and has several receipts - one even totals $675 (from 1996) for replacing lower unit seals, impeller, propeller, etc... THE ONLY WEIRD THING I FOUND OUT HE DIDN'T DO, WAS NOT CHANGE THE GAS... He says he leaves the old gas in there all winter and it still fires right up? Okay so aside from having gummy gas in the fuel system (which may or may not get burned out over a tank or two) here is how the motor performed. <br /><br />I pulled all the spark plugs and checked the compression and it was as follows:<br /><br />CYL 1: 100 psi<br />CYL 2: 110 psi<br />CYL 3: 105 psi<br />CYL 4: 80 psi<br />CYL 5: 90 psi<br />CYL 6: 95 psi<br /><br /><br />I thought it was weird that the top 3 pistons had about 105 psi average and the bottom 3 pistons had about 90 psi average? <br /><br />I then proceeded to hook everything back up and check spark. IT HAS GOOD SPARK. <br /><br />Then I hooked up the gas and gave it about 4 or 5 pumps. I looked at the carbs and they were dripping fuel - I thought that was weird but the owner said it is just because I "over pumped" the primer (the pump). It made sense because everytime after that I pumped it - gas dripped out. <br /><br />Okay so after I cleaned up the loose gas, I fired up the key and the motor fired right up after about 15-20secs of turning over. Mind you this was the first time it had been started in 7 months! <br /><br />It was a little crackly and spurratic at first but after about 1 min, the "tell tale" was trickling, but not a steady stream, and the motor seemed to have warmed up a bit and was idling smooth. <br /><br />After about 3-5mins of idle, I suggest we turn the hose up a little bit. After we turned up the hose, the "tell tale" was trickling a solid stream, still wasn't streaming - but the motor wasn't the slightest bit hot. The owner said it never really squirts at idle, only squirts a solid steady stream at a little higher RPM. After about <br /><br />After a good 5 mins of idling the motor sounded fine - an occasional stutter or increase in RPM, but NO LOPY IDLE AT ALL. <br /><br />I asked if we could rev it up and he said okay but only let me push the "fast idle" lever fully forward, we didn't put it in gear because we were running it off the hose. At fast idle it sounded good. The "tell tale" pissed a little more water confirming the owners claim. I put a motor stethescope on each cylinder 1 at the time and they all sounded even. <br /><br />We turned the motor off, waited 30 secs and then turned the ignition and it fired RIGHT UP.<br /><br />I have a "in the water test ride" scheduled for this Sunday. Does this sound like something I should pursue? The boat hull is in REALLY GOOD SHAPE.
 

mattsaks

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Re: Is This Motor Worth Buying??? (compression results)

Butteco, when you pump the primer bulb it should firm up and stop pumping. Sounds like there is either some junk in the carbs (probably the gummy old gas) or the needles and seats are worn. Not sure what they are made of on these motors. Either way budget for a carb clean/rebuild. This is usually not a major.<br />It would also be a good idea to replace the impeller and check the condition of the water pump housing and gearbox oil. The 80lbs on number 4 seems a little low but it could be a few things. Someone with first hand knowledge of these motors might be able to elaborate further. It may just need a decarb? Also, idling/revving an outboard on a hose is in no way any indication of how it will go when it is in the water! If the compression figures are ok, then definately go for a water test.
 

rodbolt

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Re: Is This Motor Worth Buying??? (compression results)

run away<br /> a good decarb may or may not restore the missing compression. the carbs need a rebuild, the pump needs a rebuild. most likly has since 96. but the compression numbers are way off. think of the motor as 6 motors sharing a common crank. all cyl have to be within 10 psi or it does not work correctly and dies rather rapidly. decarbing is usually overated. if there is a stuck ring odds are the damage is done but I guess it wont hurt to try it.after a decarb take it to a good auto or marine shop and have a leak down test done. its way more accurate than a compression test.15% is max leakage and I will condem them at 12%.
 

agrazela

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Re: Is This Motor Worth Buying??? (compression results)

Too early to say whether it's worth buying...but it sounds to me like it's worth taking an on-the-water test. Make sure you run that puppy hard for at least 20-30 min, revving up, down, and cruising at various rpm's; make sure you shift it fwd and rev many times, and that the steering is good. <br /><br />It is true that overpumping the bulb will "overpower" the needles and cause gas to drip out on those carbs. What you want to look for on your on-the-water test is gas continuing to drip out the front of the carbs under only fuel pump pressure. If you see this, don't venture too far from shore 'cause the motor is going to flood. In any case, you must assume the carbs are gummy and DO need a teardown...no big deal and SOP on an old 2-stroke. I would bring a spray can of carb cleaner on your test, just in case.<br /><br />I don't think those compression numbers were so off...did that #4 spark plug look any different from the others? I would prepare to do another compression test after the on-the-water test, to see if there are any changes. Also, prepare to take a good look at the plugs after your run and check for differences.<br /><br />Your description of the pee-hole trickle at idle doesn't scare me. Just look for a good, steady, uninterrupted stream while at higher RPM on the water.<br /><br />Has this boat got a tach? Speedo? Be sure to get as much info on WOT rpm's vs. speed as possible on your test run.<br /><br />Good luck!
 

butteco

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Re: Is This Motor Worth Buying??? (compression results)

The speedo and tach are both not working. The #4 spark plug looked the EXACT SAME as the other 6. I am scheduled for a test ride this weekend and will put the motor through it's paces. I am scared to "decarb" the motor as it might make things WORSE if I remove carbon that might be sealing something up etc... <br /><br />Any more opinions advice is MOST WELCOME! <br /><br />Thanks!
 

Nos4r2

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Re: Is This Motor Worth Buying??? (compression results)

If you're that worried about it then leave it. Buy something else that you aren't afraid will blow up.<br /> If you haven't got any confidence in your boat or engine then you'll never have that much fun in it.
 

cobra 3.0

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Re: Is This Motor Worth Buying??? (compression results)

It all depends how much he wants for it. It certainly seems to be showing its age. If you aren't going to go 10 miles off shore and use it daily, it'll probably do fine for weekender type use.<br /><br />I definitely would decarb it with his permission and retest the compression based on your concerns at present. Then, if it runs strong as per a good on water test, starts up easily cold and hot, and didn't cost you much, hey what the hay!
 
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