ive got a dilema

[bazrfc]

hey eveybody,
i have a small dilema,
im selling my 1990 merc 40 for something more suited for my boat.
I have a 1960s glaspar. rated for a 90hp.
im looking at two motors.

1980 merc 90 hp it has a new head put on it last month, no contols, with prop
for 3 grand

or
1999 evinrude 70hp great condition. once again, no controls no prop.
3200 dollers.

im looking for something that can go a little faster when im off the west coast of canada.

ive got a few days to make my decision......
what would you do?????

 

[JB]

Re: ive got a dilema

The Merc is way overpriced.

I would go for the 'Rude.

 

[Husker100]

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The rude is a better choice.Make sure you check out new motor prices.I'm finding high prices for used motors with no warranty.I'm leaning towards a new one.Good luck

 

[bazrfc]

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is there a big power difference between the 2 for there age.
how much should the merc sell for.
and thats my boat in the picture. would the 70 give me the extra power im looking for??

 

[JB]

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The power difference is not as big as it may appear. In 1980 the Merc was rated at the flywheel. Prop HP would be more like 80.

 

[bazrfc]

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thats what i was thiniking, for the year of the motor compared to a newer model i was sure that the evinrude would be close in power.
ill go to the shop to check out the evirude again today
thanks for all the info.

 

[Bill Adkins]

Re: ive got a dilema

hey eveybody,
i have a small dilema,
im selling my 1990 merc 40 for something more suited for my boat.
I have a 1960s glaspar. rated for a 90hp.
im looking at two motors.

1980 merc 90 hp it has a new head put on it last month, no contols, with prop
for 3 grand

or
1999 evinrude 70hp great condition. once again, no controls no prop.
3200 dollers.

im looking for something that can go a little faster when im off the west coast of canada.

ive got a few days to make my decision......
what would you do?????

Hey, the picture looks like an Avalon. At least it looks like mine, I have a 69 Avalon 15 I bought from a neighbor a while back. Mine doesnt have a motor rating plate due to its age, at least thats what I was told at a shop. The motor on my boat is actually oversized for the boat and I would go smaller if I were to replace it. It is an older merc 6 that is a bear to get to run and it can be cantankerous at times but it is a hoot to drop the hammer on when its being nice. I imagine your boat would do well with 90 HP, but if I were buying I would want a strong 90 for sure. Dont think I would settle for less.
Bill

 

[bazrfc]

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well the evinrude was sold this morning, boo
i called the dealer about the merc and he said that the reason they are selling it at such a high cost is because the replaced the power head and replaced the lower leg.
so i haggled with him and he is going to give me the contorls, prop a new wiring harness for the tilt and trim and install the motor as well as make sure it all works for the 3 grand.
does that sound like a good deal?????

 

[ezmobee]

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Sounds like a good deal to me! Any warrenty would make it even better.

 

[bazrfc]

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yeah an a 90 day warrenty parts an labour.

i think im going to grab it

 

[bazrfc]

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haha,
i phoned around to other shops before i went to the merc dealer.
i picked up a 1995 70hp johnsone, its just been completly rebuilt. the guy used his engine hoist to get it on the boat and i installed all the controls, and wires.
for the same price as the 80 merc i got , the controls, cables,fuel tanks,hoses and all the bolts and straps i needed to fit it.well impressed

i had a small question for you all.

can you shorten the clutch and accelerator cable. the set that came with it seems to be off a 17ft and i have a 14ft, better being to long than to short.

over all the motor started first turn and ill take it out on friday.
he said to take it easy for the first few runs to break in thej engine. true???

thanks alot in advance

 

[bazrfc]

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and also. the person who rebuilt the engine said that he done something to the carbs to make it from a 60hp to a 70hp.(the cover says 60)
saying that that was the only difference between the 2 models that year.
how can i find out if he is telling the truth??

 

[studlymandingo]

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You probably should run a richer mix than 50:1 for the first few hours of the break-in period.

I don't know for sure, but I think there is more to the additional 10HP than just some carb adjustments.​

 

[EricR]

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I have a '69 Glasspar Avalon just like yours. Goes 30 with a 45 Honda and two adults in the boat, it's underpropped right now.

Good deal on the Johnson, sounds like a 60 horse to me though despite what you were told.

 

[bazrfc]

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I have a '69 Glasspar Avalon just like yours. Goes 30 with a 45 Honda and two adults in the boat, it's underpropped right now.

Good deal on the Johnson, sounds like a 60 horse to me though despite what you were told.

do you really think its a good deal.
im kinda feeling stupid. i was looking for a 70hp or more, the guy seemed pretty reasonable about his explanation on how it was a rebuilt 60 turned in to a 70.
i also done research after the fact it is a 1993 not a 1995.
should i call him on this?
im happy with the motor itself i just wish i didnt jump on this as fast as i did.

 

[AlwaysTradinOutboards]

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After all the facts given, if you feel you should call the seller to question him about what he told you, then do so. But if it were me and I were happy with the motor, I would just leave it be and call it a lesson learned. If you're happy with the motor and feel that the guy is telling the truth about the rebuild then I would call it a deal. BUT..... With that being said, did you investigate the motor very carefully to check about the truth of the rebuild? I've run across people that have claimed to have rebuilt motors for sale, and upon a thorough inspection they've done nothing more than install a few new gaskets.

 

[jimmbo]

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You can't get a 60 hp to be a 70 by a carb adjustment. Different carbs, reeds, exhaust tuner, cylinder head, and even engine block are often what are the "adjustments" that need tinkering to make the change.

 

[bazrfc]

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hey,
after alot of running around,
the story now goes, im really happy with the motor, ive got the seller to give me a 3 month parts & labour warrenty. if the smallest thing goes wrong he will get it fixed.
i had the motor out a few days ago. out of the hole the bow points to the sky then gets planing at around 10mph and i have got it up to 35mph, its still not wot but i kinda got scared,
how do you go about learning about the trim buttons. the engine before didnt have it so im trying to figure it out,.
any ideas?

 

[cougar1985]

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im assuning the trim button is on the throttle handle.ok so its a rocker switch which goes up and down with a middle which is off.so starting out you might want to trim the motor in which is to push the rocker switch down ,then as you get going push switch up untill you feel that the boat is running at its best without overreving the motor.that being said all boats and motor combos are different and you will really have to fool around to get it where you feel the package is preforming best for your needs.

 

[studlymandingo]

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Yep, trim the motor all the way in (tucked as close to the boat as possible) when starting out, as I am throttling up I begin to trim out (move the prop away from the stern of the boat) until I reach the speed at which I am cruising. As you trim out, you change the angle of thrust for the motor, the further out you go, the more of the hull should be coming out of the water thereby reducing drag on the hull. Less hull making contact = less friction, faster speed, less work on the motor, greater fuel economy. If you get into rough water (waves, wakes, etc.) you can trim in a bit to bring the bow down to cut through the waves and make the ride more smooth and stable. You may also want to trim in when making high speed turns for more stability.​

Don't be afraid to play with the trim switch to see how your boat reacts to the changes. It's part of getting to know your rig. As for the bow pointing at the sky when you take-off; a set of Smart Tabs would go a long way on that boat to make it plane better and to make the overall handling and ride of the boat much better. They are not expensive and can make a "new" ride out of her.​