Jet to Prop to Jet Conversion

PeteOR

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I'm building a boat for use in a wide variety of conditions and am interested in being able to convert from jet to prop and vise-versa (i.e. shallow river running for a week followed by deep water coastal conditions). I'm a duck hunter, retired, and highly mobile, travelling extensively following the migration.<br /><br />Power will be a Yamaha 115 4 stroke (80 when running jet). I am prepared to invest in both units and understand that buying an additional water pump is advisable for simplification of the conversion process. I would also incorporate a hydraulic jack plate in order to position the motor at the appropriate height for each drive system.<br /><br />My understanding is that this is very do-able and am interested in corresponding with others that have experience with this configuration.<br /><br />Anyone out there?
 

alcan

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Re: Jet to Prop to Jet Conversion

The mechanics end of this idea is very do-able. The problem I would be concerned about is performance. If your boat needs the 115hp with the prop to get the desired performance, the same motor with a pump won't even move it. They claim a 30% loss in power with a pump. I feel it may be a little more.
 

PeteOR

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Re: Jet to Prop to Jet Conversion

Good concerns...I'll describe the configuration for sake of clarity.<br /><br />Ther boat is a slightly modified Sam Devlin Honker constructed of marine grade BS1088 Okoume and Sapele plywood. Length 19', transom width 7', transom height 20", tiller steering. Planing hull with 11 degree deadrise at the transom. Weight <1000 lbs.<br /><br />The USCG formula for max HP suggests the following:<br />Remote Steering and Transom Height 20" or Greater= 175 hp max<br />Tiller Steering and Transom Height Less Than 20"= 80 hp max<br />The formula does not indicate configuration for Tiller Steering and Transom Height 20" or Greater, however we are confident that the 115 will pass muster upon any inspection. The designer suggests a max of 75 hp prop with the 'stock' length of 17' 4" and we believe the addition of 20" length and commensurate weight would be adequately propelled by an 80 hp jet.<br /><br />Your thoughts?
 

Terry H

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Re: Jet to Prop to Jet Conversion

The problem you'll run into Pete is the leg length of the motor...being the jet unit and the l/u are approximately the same length. You need to run the low end of the pickup from the jet at the transom/hull level...and the prop about 5" lower. For a 20" transom you need a shortshaft motor to install your jet pump on. I find it best just to have a spare motor with the prop to change over to...versus having to raise or lower the motor 5" when you change over the leg. just a Thought
 

PeteOR

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Re: Jet to Prop to Jet Conversion

Thought101, thanks for the reply.<br /><br />Re: different leg lengths...would the hydraulic jack plate not be able to enable this conversion? My understanding is that the purpose of the jack plate is to raise/ lower the motor by 5"which should properly position the respective drive systems.
 

Terry H

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Hydraulic jack plate should be able to handle if it moves the desired range. The reason I didn't use jack plate is the fact that it takes the intake away from the transom and introduces a lot of air, and tends to cavitate. With the 80hp motor you could possibly still get to 30mph, sorta fast in shallow water with a tiller, you don't want to be hitting anything solid. It shouldn't take you more than an hour to switch over from jet to prop...you'll likely need to remove the shift linkage out of the way, other than that, just like r&r l/u. Each unit has it's own waterpump, so no prolem there. <br />Pete...I would call Wooldridge Boats and talk to the boss, he would know if there are any cons to this setup...just some Thoughts
 

Skinnywater

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Re: Jet to Prop to Jet Conversion

Hello Peter,<br />Coincidentally, I'm going out tomorrow (Feather River) on a friends boat that swaps from pump to prop regularly.<br />He's powered by a 110 Johnson on a 19' Fishing Ski Barge, very wide, stable, heavy fiberglass boat. He runs with a LOT of gear and usually there is 3 men on board. He will run at 30mph at 7/8ths throttle in 6-8 inches of water. His pump is equipped with a stainless steel impeller. He also uses a manual CNC jack plate. He also has both units fitted with water pumps. His conversion time can be completed within a beer and a half (45-55 min.). His setup has always impressed me (except for the 2stroke exaust headache I'll have).<br /><br />Here is what you have to check out for your set up.<br />1. Some outboards, midsized 4 strokes, Honda and Suzuki's run a different ratio primary gearset for props and jets. Double check with your manufacture on this possibility. This has been the only snafu in my jet to prop conversion. This<br />situation has made my particular conversion not reasonable at this time.<br />However, I'm making some engine, pump and boat modifications to enhance my pumps output instead.<br /><br />2. Thought101 has a valid point and I've been made aware of possible problems regarding jackplates that don't have enough adjustment for some boat/motors. However, it was brought to my attention that there is a recent manufacture of a jackplate that addresses this concern. I believe the manufacture was from Specialty Mfg. Co., the manufacture of your jetpump.<br />The person telling me about this was Smith Marine Sales, Red Bluff, CA. 530-527-6634. Nice guy, very helpful and reasonable prices. So double check this out.<br /><br />3. You state your boat is <1000 lbs. While you'll very definitely notice a difference in power between pump and jet. You'll be satisfied with the<br />performance of the pump in the conditions you plan to use it in. I believe it'll be more then sufficient. However, since you are making the trip, the stainless steel impeller will be beneficial to you. It makes the jet more efficient and it lasts many, many years.<br /><br />BTW, please don't forget to give iboats a crack at selling you some of these items, if they have them. They provide a top notch service and without doubt, the best internet boating site.<br /><br />By all means ask for additional help if needed and I hope this is useful.
 

ppakman8850

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Re: Jet to Prop to Jet Conversion

Hey Pete sorry to bother you but you answered a post of mine and in it you mentioned the USCG fomula, where could i get this formula is there a web site for this? I measured my transom and if I done it right it is 68" by just over 20" thanks for your reply pete and i do like your idea for swapping from jet to prop good luck with it.<br />Paul
 

PeteOR

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Re: Jet to Prop to Jet Conversion

The USCG publishes a Home Boat Builders Guide which is available on their web site (hard to find) or downloadable from this link:<br /> http://www.duckboats.net/ultimate.htm <br />The formula is included in the contents.<br />I have created an Excel spreadsheet which calculates HP ratings in a few seconds. If you'll post your e-mail I'll be glad to forward.<br /><br />Thanks for the encouraging words on my conversion project. I'll be sure to post progress.
 
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