johnson 125 vs. merc 100

rdnk_4_lf

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how much wheight difference is there between a 1970 johnson 125 and a 1978 merc 1000 or 100 hp the boat is rated for an 85 and it had a 125 on it will there be any troubles with this new motor
 

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Re: johnson 125 vs. merc 100

some 1 please help i am putting it on tommarow and i need to know what i need to do extra to my transom
 

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Re: johnson 125 vs. merc 100

Rdnk,
Wish I could help you but there's not much anyone can do to help you do something like that. Figuring out how to go about OVERpowering your rig is something you pretty much have to deal with on your own. Heck, noone knows what your boat even looks like. If your boat is old and the transom is weakened, it becomes even more dangerous.
Wish I could be of help,
JBJ
 

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Re: johnson 125 vs. merc 100

Couple of things:

1. That's a serious overpowering, especially with the 125. Consider the legal aspects of what you're planning. If you have an accident, the overpower will guarantee that there was negligence, if something goes to court.

2. You don't bother to describe your boat, its age, or condition. Both motors weigh more than your other outboard. If there's anything wrong with your transom, you could quickly be in big trouble.
 

rdnk_4_lf

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Re: johnson 125 vs. merc 100

this boat was well kept up until last year the mechanic left it outside and the clear coat has faded and the carpet has peeled the boat does not leak at all we put paper towels where the drain plug is and two weeks later it was still dry and had never been wet the boat is a 16 foot cheetah bass boat it is a 1979 model as i said it has been garage kept and the transom is is very good condition still my question what is the wheight difference between the two motors because it was custom built and it come straight out of the factory with that 1970s model johnson 125 4 cylinder and the it was way to big this merc 100hp seems lighter when you pick it up but i dont know can anyone help and i am aware of the legal situation
 

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Re: johnson 125 vs. merc 100

All of the Johnny/Rude V4's are in the 300 to 350 lb range depending on whether or not they have tilt and trim. Most fall in the 325 lb range.
I have a 1995 Merc 115 that weighs in at 360lbs, and an earlier 1978 Merc 1150 that weighs in at 306 lbs.

I don't see a 100hp for 1978, but they did have one in 1988, in that case it would be in the 340lb range, slightly more than the earlier Johnny/Rude V4s.
Either way, if 40lbs is a make or break amount on your transom, I'd have to seriously think about what I'm doing.
Being a bass boat from that era, you probably don't have much freeboard when it comes to adding weight.

If your boat is a 1979, how did it come new from the factory with a 1970 Evinrude.

Weight wise you shouldn't have a problem either way,there's little difference in weight between the 85HP and 125HP V4 motors, they are all basically the same engine with minor differences. Model numbers for those motors will better ID what you have. Even in 1979, I can't imagine a boat builder putting a 125 on a boat rated for 85hp.

I run a 135 on a boat rated for 120 max, but there's little to no difference between the two motors, in fact, I think the later model 120 feels stronger than the older 135 and the later motor weighs in at almost 40 pounds more with the tilt and trim unit and oil tank and hoses. My boat is old enough that it don't have a coast guard plate and I've been boarded for a safety check with the larger motor and it passed just fine. I have an 85hp V4 on a 16' aluminum boat that is actually running a 90hp power head and carbs. I had two motors, one good lower and one good upper and combined them. There was no way I was not using that motor for a 5hp difference and zero weight difference. I never even consider opening it up all the way anyhow. That boat would do just fine with a 40hp, but I already had the V4 so on it went.

The 1995 115 I have is actually lighter than the Johnny/Rudes but feels heavier when moving it around due to it's added height and size. In reality it's only a few pounds heavier.

While it may not be right, I have seen a good number of motors around here with the model number plate popped off and the motor decaled as a lower hp.
In my opinion, so long as you are not overloading the transom and the larger motor is of the same design and weight, the ability of the boat to withstand a larger hp rating is up to whom ever is driving. On my boat, I had never even opened up the original motor let alone the 90hp on it now. There's just no place to do so where I fish. The same for my larger boat. With todays gas prices, it's slow and steady and save as much fuel as I can.
I do find that the larger motors run better at part throttle and burn less fuel doing so compared to a boat that has barely enough motor to get the job done.
 

rdnk_4_lf

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Re: johnson 125 vs. merc 100

ok then so the only difference between a 125 johnson and 100 merc is 40 lbs if thats the case then i wont have do do much to my transom to compensate for that heavy motor and the boat come out of the factory with a 1980 johnson 125 i am sorry i hit the 7 instead of the 8 and the merc is a 1978 or 1979 maybe even an 1980 the serial #s start with 24 thats all i remember the motor is having carb work done so i cant run them sorry
 

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ok then so the only difference between a 125 johnson and 100 merc is 40 lbs if thats the case then i wont have do do much to my transom to compensate for that heavy motor and the boat come out of the factory with a 1980 johnson 125 i am sorry i hit the 7 instead of the 8 and the merc is a 1978 or 1979 maybe even an 1980 the serial #s start with 24 thats all i remember the motor is having carb work done so i cant run them sorry

First off, I think you may be way off on the year of that Merc? If the model number begins with a 24, then I'd guess it to be an older inline 6 cylinder from about 1969? The 100 HP I6 'Tower of Power' ended in 1969, later 6 cylinders were 115 hp. They didn't make a 100HP motor again till about 1988 and by then the model numbers began with a letter. Only the early motors were '1000' models, they reverted to normal HP + model name in the later motors.
Those older I6 motors weighed in at about 275 without power tilt and trim. Keep in mind that you have the added weight of the pump unit which was mounted inside the boat on them. This did minimize added transom weight with T/T but you had a much heavier than most pump and hoses in the boat.

Keep in mind that again with the inline 6 engine, you have a very tall motor with a lot of weight up high on the transom which even if the overall package is the same or lighter, it can play a roll in adding stress the transom. If it is the older version, and without tilt and trim, that Merc may be a lot closer to the transoms design weight rating. But do keep in mind the added height and possible stress. For the most part, if your transom is healthy with no rot or prior damage, you shouldn't have any real problems with either motor.
 

rdnk_4_lf

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Re: johnson 125 vs. merc 100

ok thanks for all the help guys i appreciate it and the motor is a 68 i just figured that one out last night we are going to put a piece of 8th inch stainless steel plates where it mounts on the transom just in case once again thanks for all the help nick
 
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