Johnson Controls

hibbert6

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I found a great deal on an older 85hp v4 Johnson oubtoard. But the guy says there's something wrong with the controller's neutral lock. It's electric, not mechanical, and the boat engine will only start in forward or reverse - not a very safe thing! He says he'd planned to fix it by installing a toggle switch but never got around to it. I have no idea if that would work. I'd be replacing my Merc 650, so I know my controller won't work. Any ideas, here? Would I need to replace the controller, or can it be repaired, or circumvented, as with the toggle switch idea? Or is the problem more likely in the lower unit somewhere?

Dave
 

jonesg

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Re: Johnson Controls

I'd take it apart and fix it.
Failing that, snag another one off craigslist.
I wouldn't install a toggle , thats another thing to fail/forget.

I would get a factory manual (they are available around $35)
go to this link, find your controller and blow the diagram up, order the interlock switch if that proves to be the problem.

http://shop2.evinrude.com/ext/

I see those controllers on craigslist all the time for $75.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Johnson Controls

it actually could be a very simple adjustment of the neutral switch.
 

hibbert6

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Re: Johnson Controls

Haven't bought it yet, but it's on a 1969 boat (that got smashed up starting in forward gear :) ). I'll have to inquire as to the engine's age.

Thanks for all the advice!

Dave
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Johnson Controls

It sounds like you have a motor with hydro-electric shift, but it would be helpful to know the exact year to confirm that.

If it is a hydro-electric, and the shift switch has gone bad, you will have to hunt for one. They can sometimes be found as NOS (new, Old Stock) items at a dealership, as well as on the auction sites. Its not unheard of to buy a NOS shift switch for about $60.00, but its also not the norm. Anyone who has one of these and knows how hard they are to come by, will normally want a lot of money for it.

Sometimes you can overcome your problem just by moving the shift/throttle lever on the control unit a little. If that doesn't work, and as TD pointed out, sometimes you can adjust the control unit. Here's what the 1972 Johnson 65hp OEM manual has to say about the matter:


"WARM UP LEVER ADJUSTMENT

"a. Check the safety switch adjustment on the motor as described in Section 4 and reset if necessary."

"b. Place control lever in NEUTRAL and warm-up lever in full start position. Crank motor with KEY switch. If starter doesn't crank, turn warm-up lever stop screw in (clockwise) until engagement takes place."

"c. If starter does crank motor in Step b, with warm-up lever in full start position, back off on warm-up lever stop screw to determine point at which starter won't operate. Readjust set screw clockwise until starter operates with warm-up lever in full START position. See Figure 8-5. Adjusting Throttle Start Position"


Note: Figure 8-5 shows screwdriver inserted into stop screw at front of control unit.


The instructions for checking the Safety Switch adjustment, referred to above, are:

"With ignition switch off and gearshift in neutral, advance throttle lever to full open position. Hold starter key on and slowly retard throttle until motor starts. At this point motor should turn over between 2,500 and 3,000 rpm. If not within this range, adjust slotted cam on throttle lever." See figure 4-23."

Note: Figure 4-23 shows slotted cam on the backside of the throttle lever. The "throttle lever" refered to here and above, is not the shift/throttle lever on the control unit - it is a lever on the starboard side of the engine.


DISCLAIMER: These instructions are from the 1972 J65hp model. They may or may not be applicable for your motor. I have posted them just to give you some idea of remedies to your difficulty.
 

fdmsiv

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Re: Johnson Controls

On my 85HP the neutral start switch is a small switch located inside the remote control. There is a cam on the Throttle lever that depresses the switch when the throttle is in neutral. I would check the switch first, then move on from there.
 

Tim Frank

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Re: Johnson Controls

.... but it's on a 1969 boat (that got smashed up starting in forward gear :)

I think you have answered your own question about whether to do a "workaround" or a proper repair....:)
 
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