Johnson dura jet/military issue

davejnz

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I have been thinking about buying one of the Johnson30hp dura jet outboards.I have heard that most jet drives aren't very efficient but these look different.Any one have any experience with these units?Are there any big differences between the military issue Johnson30 and the standard 30.<br />I fish alot in the saltwater flats(Mosquito lagoon) and go through aluminum props twice a yr <br />so thats why they interest me.Most people in this area use SS props but i have been told that they aren't a good idea for low hp motors in shallow water.
 

dajohnson53

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Re: Johnson dura jet/military issue

I don't have experience with the durajet, and am looking forward to hearing about them also.<br /><br />As for regular outboard jets (Outboard Jet Company), I've used them quite a bit. You shouldn't get too hung up on efficiency because there are some very large operational beneifts which greatly counteract that loss. Less fuel efficiency yes, but given the right application, hugely greater operational efficiency.<br /><br />Yes, they put out less HP out the tube vs. the same engine with a prop, and therefore potentially burn more fuel. I'd say the estimtes of 25-30% loss are probably accurate. However, if you need a jet, you need a jet. I run a jet exclusively because I run in shallow water. If I were going through a couple of props a year, I'd definitely consider a jet. You'd need to go to a 50 to get what a 30 puts out with a prop.<br /><br />Upside is that they are super simple to maintain and give you some safety improvements and a lot of flexibility in operation. No lower unit gear lube. The only regular maintenance is simple, quick periodic greasing through an easy to access zerk, literally a 30 second job. The only other maintenance, really is servicing the propulsion impeller, maybe once a year. It is easy to "re-shim" (which adjusts the impeller for wear on the housing wear ring), and to sharpen. 30 minutes total -shimming and sharpening. I've done both and I'm no mechanic. <br /><br /><br />Operating is safer and easier than a prop. Very little, if anything, to break. Sits even with the bottom of the transom so if you keep your hull off the bottom, the jet is off the bottom. Very easy to beach and launch, load and unload trailer. No need to tip up for trailering. Very safe around swimmers or waders because no external prop. Less harm to coral and other underwater stuff if you're conerned about that. No risk of line being wrapped around prop. No gears (reverse is a mechanical cup which goes over the pump redirecting force), therefore operating between forward and reverse is quicker and easier than prop - no grinding ever.<br /><br />Another negative you hear is that jets are less maneuverable than props - I just haven't found this to be an issue - if it is, it's not a major issue.<br /><br />I would be surprised if the Dura Jet is a lot better - I've just never seen them in operation. Around here about 75% of the outboards run jets, and so far the Dura Jet just hasn't been used. Maybe they're just for lower HP outboards?
 

phatmanmike

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Re: Johnson dura jet/military issue

these arent the same types of jets. there is no effiency loss. its essentially a smaller prop, surrounded in that plastic casing.<br /><br />these :<br />
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<br /><br />are not the same as these :<br />
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<br /><br />do some reading at smalloutboards.com and youll see what i mean
 

davejnz

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Re: Johnson dura jet/military issue

Those are the ones i'm talking about.The lower units can be swapped out with regular prop driven lower units so thats a plus.I'm just not sure about these "military motors" and what/if any differences are.I'd hate to buy one only to find out they're not as durable as the standard outboards.
 

Paul Moir

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Re: Johnson dura jet/military issue

I remember a post where an Iboats member who was familiar with the military versions (rodbolt?) said there was a slot cut into the piston on the military 30hp engines that shortened their life. It seems to me the fellow who he was telling this to later had problems and was able to confirm.<br />I'm not sure if that applies to these dura-jet ones though. I'll try to find the post.<br /><br />EDIT: That wasn't so bad: Click here.
 

phatmanmike

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Re: Johnson dura jet/military issue

just cause its got the pump jet, doesnt make it a military motor.
 

Paul Moir

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Re: Johnson dura jet/military issue

Yeah, somehow that got loged into my head. I was thinking of when those first were listed on smalloutboards:<br /> Wayback, round fall '03<br /><br />Your right though, there not necessarily ex-military. I would want to know though.
 
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