Just how fast...

Blackacid

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Is there a way to get a general idea of how fast your boat should be capable of going? I'm currently able to get about 30mph (plenty fast for me) out of my 89 Spectrum 1900 w/85HP; but is that my top speed or should I be able to get more performance than that?
 

Bob_VT

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Re: Just how fast...

Hello ;)

I have spent many hours on this subject. Yes you should be getting a bit more speed.....

Here are a couple of things....
You need a tachometer to make sure you are running at optimum rpms for your motor.
You motor needs to be set up properly in regards to the mounting height and the trim.
You need to have a prop that will take advantage of the motor and the mounting.
You need a proper way to identify your speed such as a GPS and not a boat speedometer

Now an interesting side note..... many of the motor manufacturers (Yamaha, BRP and Mercury) all publish performance data..... it is odd bad factual that the aluminum hulls do NOT do as good as some other hulls.

I think you should be getting a bit more speed ....at least 5-6 mph more at a minimum
 

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Re: Just how fast...

Is there a way to get a general idea of how fast your boat should be capable of going? I'm currently able to get about 30mph (plenty fast for me) out of my 89 Spectrum 1900 w/85HP; but is that my top speed or should I be able to get more performance than that?
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ezmobee

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Re: Just how fast...

I think you should be getting a bit more speed ....at least 5-6 mph more at a minimum

I disagree Bob. He's got a 19' with most likely a Force 85 on it. 30 is about right.
 

Blackacid

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Re: Just how fast...

How does one determine proper mounting height and trim? I have a manual (suggested on this forum), but I don't recall it having any of those details.

I do not have a tachometer but will definitely consider picking one up for next season. There are a few other things I'd like to get as well, next season, but those will have to wait.

The speedometer seems to be "ok" - runs about +2mph than what my gps reads. Problem is that it doesn't seem to work at all under 10mph.

I am fairly certain the idle mixture is not set correctly; as it doesn't like to idle at all right now. I'm hoping to tune that a bit this weekend.

ezmobee is correct, I have an 85hp Force on my boat.
 

ezmobee

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Re: Just how fast...

A tach is key as you want to make sure you are propped correctly to allow your motor to reach its target WOT RPM range. A good motor-height starting point is with the plate about the prop about even with to an inch above the boat's keel. And yeah, boat speedos don't read slow speeds well if at all.
 

Blackacid

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Re: Just how fast...

I'll look into picking one up then, as I'd like to get the most out of my motor that I can. Thanks for the info.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Just how fast...

As stated above, 30-32 MPH is about right for an 85 Force on a 19 foot hull. Oh, you can play around a bit and, possibly squeek a bit more out, but basically you are there.

Please do not try to "Tune" the engine before you go over to the Force forum and search and read my post: Synchronizing carbs and timing. There is a real danger of damaging the engine to the point of needing a rebuild with improper settings.

Back to speed: A tach is absolutely necessary. Once you know that the engine is running at its rated RPM at full throttle, then you know the prop is correct. Once you know you have the correct prop, you take the prop pitch, gear ratio, and engine RPM to figure THEORETICAL top speed. Subtract about 10 % for estimated slip and this is the top speed you would expect. In most cases, the Force engine will not reach this expectation but fall a bit short.---It's not a bad engine, if fact in many ways it is a good engine to own. It is just that it is a very old design dating back about 50 years and as such, its ability is limited compared with other name brand engines of newer design. However, at the end of its market life, Mercury had started to make improvements which did increase performance in the post 1994 models.
 

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Re: Just how fast...

I am fairly certain the idle mixture is not set correctly; as it doesn't like to idle at all right now. I'm hoping to tune that a bit this weekend.

I've seen people sink literally thousands of dollars of shop time trying to get a force engine to idle well... They just don't likely idling, period.
 

'96 Charger

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Re: Just how fast...

I've seen people sink literally thousands of dollars of shop time trying to get a force engine to idle well... They just don't likely idling, period.

Truth. My dad had an '89 Force 85 on a 19' Spectrum and that thing WOULD NOT idle unless it had freshly cleaned carbs, fresh plugs, and a blessing from a priest. It was a good motor otherwise but when teaching people to ski it became somewhat cumbersome. He kept it oiled 25:1 for some reason. Maybe it had to do with it always having the snot dogged out of it and running WOT under a strain? Took a storm filling the engine up with mud then him trying to start it to kill it. Never seemed to run "right for a Force" after the rebuild.

OP, can you post pictures of your rig? Would like to link this thread to my dad so he can take a trip back in time.
 

tboltmike

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Re: Just how fast...

Not familiar with that boat, but my 17"6" trihull with a good running 115 does 38-40. Others with the same boat and an '85 does 32-35, so I would say 30 is about right
 

ezez

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Re: Just how fast...

Listen to Frank. 30MPH is about right for your set-up.

My 18' cuddy w/ 90HP Force could do about 35MPH WOT w/ just me and 1/2 tank of gas.
 

lkbum

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Re: Just how fast...

Calcualte the theoretical top speed of your boat (regardless of weight or HP). Take your max RPM, and divide it by the Gear ratio of the outdrive, this will give you the revolutions per minture your prop is turning. Then multiply this by the pitch of your prop, this will give you how many inches per minute you are traveling. Convert inches per minute to miles per hour and you will have the theoritcal top speed. I say theoretical because you will have prop slippage (you won't get the full pitch length in travel per prop revolution). Example calcualtion from my boat ...
4800 RPM / 1.62 Gear ratio = 2963 RPM at the prop
2963prop RPM X 19 inch prop pitch = 56296 Inches/minute (woo hoo baby)
56296 Inch/Minute = 53 Miles/hr
My Gps measures 49 Mph so I guess that pretty good prop performance.
My boat is a Chaparral 280 SSi with twin 5.0l EFI, but you can see from the calcualtions that it's not relevant. Speed will be dictated by RPM, Prop pitch (of course weight boat size etc dictate the HP and prop pitch to reach full RPM)
 
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