Just picked up a 65 Cruiser's Inc 19ft Woody

chick92064

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I just returned from NH where I purchased a 1965 Cruiser's Inc 19ft runabout with a 67 Johnson 100hp "Golden Meteor" on the orginal Cruiser's Inc trailer. The motor needs very little work and I have a great mechanic close by. The boat will be a project. When new, the weather surfaces were all covered with vinyl the majority of it being light blue with a 30" or so wide section in white down the bow. The remainder of the boat is natural finish wood. It is in fair condtion with the hull being solid. The windshield assembly needs work, it needs a complete new rear bench seat and a few other pieces of mahogany here and there need to be redone.
Am seeking any informational sources, links etc anyone can provide to assist in my efforts to restore this nice old woody. Also parts sourcing (the Cruiser's Inc emblems are missing) etc. And of course all comments and any data of any type are welcome
 

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Re: Just picked up a 65 Cruiser's Inc 19ft Woody

Post some pics, sounds really neat to work on a woody.
I often wonder why I bother restoring a glass hull.
 

chick92064

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I will be glad to post a couple of pics when I get the boat back up here to Sebago Lake. When I got to NH yesterday, the trailer was not trustworth enough for the 100 mile return trip. I am going down on Tuesday with a car hauler and winch boat trailer and all onto the hauler and bring it back to Sebago. The windshield was off and while the whole boat is a restoration, I'd at least like to set the windshield in place before I take some pictures. A boat is a boat is a boat. We work on them because we love them. I have a friend who has an old 24ft Starcraft that isn't much but it's his boat and he loves it. He has very little money to spare and when he manages to fix some small thing it is a big deal to him and those of us who are his friends give him our undivided attention as he goes into great detail about whatever it is he's done. We're boat lovers, all of us and there really isn't any rational explanation for what we do.
 

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Re: Just picked up a 65 Cruiser's Inc 19ft Woody

that sounds like me a boat lover not alot of money and my boats not in the best shape but i like it:D
 
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I will be glad to post a couple of pics when I get the boat back up here to Sebago Lake. When I got to NH yesterday, the trailer was not trustworth enough for the 100 mile return trip. I am going down on Tuesday with a car hauler and winch boat trailer and all onto the hauler and bring it back to Sebago. The windshield was off and while the whole boat is a restoration, I'd at least like to set the windshield in place before I take some pictures. A boat is a boat is a boat. We work on them because we love them. I have a friend who has an old 24ft Starcraft that isn't much but it's his boat and he loves it. He has very little money to spare and when he manages to fix some small thing it is a big deal to him and those of us who are his friends give him our undivided attention as he goes into great detail about whatever it is he's done. We're boat lovers, all of us and there really isn't any rational explanation for what we do.

Amen to that! Can't really explain it. Don't have a lot of money or time to work on mine (I have two right now) but I thoroughly love working on them when I can. [Tell my wife "It's therapy"] Just been at it a year now and have learned many things (not to do). Hopefully learn from my mistakes and keep improving. It really is a labor of love. Bringing the past forward... to enjoy it once more.
 

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Re: Just picked up a 65 Cruiser's Inc 19ft Woody

Was just over checking out "the sandbar" in the lower bay of Sebago Lake in my Mach I Challenger and noticed two 30 foot or so boats identical to each other. The brand name on the side ? Cruiser's Inc. Not sure how old these two boats are but they looked fairly new. Cruiser's Inc is still in business ? Wonder if they have archival files available. Will share what I find.
 

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Three questions today. The 1st is about pictures of my new project. I've found several examples of this boat and one site in which folks post pictures of completed restorations in which the exact boat I have is shown. However, in every picture, the rear bench seat is obscured. Folks evidently don't feel that there is enough detail in a bench seat to warrant a separate shot of it. If anyone comes across a bow facing stern shot of the interior of a boat similar to mine in which the rear seat is clearly shown please either provide a link or post the picture. The 2nd question is regarding the rubber gasket or welting I believe it was called back in the day around the windshield glass. My first restoration effort on this project will be the windshield assembly. There is one frame which needs to be rebuilt and all of the welting needs replacing as it has dried up and cracked. I am looking for a supplier of this material. Finding mahogany is not an issue and all of the hardware on this boat is intact, but little items like this welting and the material used in the interior hull curtains that is period correct is going to be a chore. The last regards the storage or mooring cover. The boat was covered when I 1st saw it with what I believe was the orginal vinyl faced canvas cover. It is 99% intact and but getting brittle. I've found canvas shops are much happier to have an original pattern to work with so I'd like to try to preserve this until I get to replaicng it. Has anyone ever tried coating the canvas side of these covers with linseed oil or something similar to keep them pliable ? Dumb idea or ???? Would appreciate any hints/tips/advice from folks who've walked this road before.
 

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Re: Just picked up a 65 Cruiser's Inc 19ft Woody

Well I got the boat up to our summer place on Sebago Lake from NH and on closer inspection what I thought was vinyl on the top surfaces of the boat looks to be vinyl coated canvas. If anyone knows of a supplier for this material please post. Also, inside the boat there are curtains made of what looks to be the same type of coarse material found on older automobile headliners. Intersting. I found some pictures of a completely restored boat like this and the entire inside of the boat is covered with this material with only the seats and storage bins showing the wooden construction. Taken as a whole, it is almost as if this boat was designed to resemble a well appointed automobile as to the look and finish. So far it seems as though I'm talking to myself mostly on this thread, but I am hopes someone out there has some advice, websites, whatever they know of to aid in my effort to restore this old gem.
 

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Re: Just picked up a 65 Cruiser's Inc 19ft Woody

Here's a link to what the boat should look like restored
http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/cruisersinc65.html
I have found a supplier I am working with on the needed materials. The fly in the ointment seems to be the emblems. I have seen much talk of this on various forums. Has anyone found a business that reproduces these ? I have one side emblem and the dash emblem. They are brittle and not in good condition but 100% intact and solid enough for someone to make a wax impression or sand cast impression.
 

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Re: Just picked up a 65 Cruiser's Inc 19ft Woody

I have a few questions chick92..How do you know the hull is solid???Did you take a marine surveyor with you..Second did you check for hogging in the hull????Almost guaranteed to be there..They are very nice boats and you will be so happy when finished...Good luck...
 

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Thanks for checking in on my thread Ranger. I'll look forward to future posts from you

Well I spent my 1st resto money on the project today. Took the old 9" trailer wheels to a local tire shop and had new 6 ply sneakers with tubes fitted to them. I'm off and running ;)
 

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Hey not trying to be nosy,can I ask how much you paid for her????I actually have a wood boat I am thinking about selling so was wondering..Thanks again Matt
 

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chick92064

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Re: Just picked up a 65 Cruiser's Inc 19ft Woody

Ranger, I paid $500 for the boat/motor/trailer and therein lies the morale of this story. Prior to buying it, I had been to an antique wooden boat show in Naples Maine on the Causeway. One of the things I noticed was the lack of orginal trailers for the boats that were not in the water. The trailer I was buying while needing work was solid. Another thing was that what little research I could do in a couple days turned up that the Golden Meteor Johnson would fetch in excess of $1,000 in a resale. So when I went to pick up the boat, it was with the idea in mind that even if the boat was firewood I could recover my money.
I am a trained marine designer. I have worked on hull design both manually and with CAD. I was invovled in developing a CAD program that automatically figures that fair from one surface to another, so I knew what I needed to see where the boat transitioned from the V of the bow to the flat bottom of the stern. Sitting on a trailer with bad wheels on uneven ground, the best I could do was check the keel for straight (and that was a big if) Once back here at my property on Sebago, I leveled the trailer with jack stands on all three planes and then checked the keel with string (straight) I also checked the lines of the lapstrake planking. at some point there are one or two rows that should run parallel to the rails of the trailer. As stated above, knowing how to fair a transition line on the hull of a boat I was able to tell if the lines where the hull transitions were out of fair and they were not. Lastly, a thorough check of all planking, ribs etc have not turned up a single piece of rot or even punky wood. The damage I will have to repair is limited to the windshield frame assembly, the top of one front seat storage cabinet and the missing rear seat. Your boat looks to be in good condition from the two photso in your post. I would advise checking Lady Ben and Mitch Lapoint's sites as well as E-Bay and Craigslist to get an idea what it would sell for. Personally I feel that my seller could have cleaned up the boat, presented it better and gotten more money. My good, his bad. I certainly wasn't going to ask him to raise the price. The thing is in my experience that pricing is the key in that if you ask too much, you scare people off and if you ask too little you also scare people off. I thought when I 1st saw mine on craigslist NH that it must be a firewood because of the low price. I figured what the heck and took a ride and am glad I did. Good luck with your sale.

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I notice your bilge pump running. Also that your lower unit is very elevated. A common problem with the interface boot is that they get pinched when you raise the lower unit to it's max. Once above the keel any further is wasted. While you probably need a new boot, keeping the lower unit not so high up would cut down on the water leaking in. Most boots I've seen all leak at full tilt and hardly or not at all with the lower unit fully lowered.
 
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ranger31

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Re: Just picked up a 65 Cruiser's Inc 19ft Woody

The bilge runs quite a bit as being a wooden boat the seams leak for a while in the beginning till they swell and seal shut.The boots and bellows,shifter bellow included are fairly new.I do not think I have any water coming in there,just the seems.I took that pick when I just put her in for the year..I will try and get a few pics for you,hey do the same for us we all want to see your new project...
 

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Ranger
Wanted to let you know that I pulled up the deck sections to see what the inside of the hull looked like and while it is in very good condition with no rot at all and everything being very solid, I have one fore/aft stringer that due to sitting on a poorly made replacement bunk on the trailer is indeed humped up a bit. Not too bad and with no other visible issues, I am hoping that if I set the hull on boat jacks and fill it with water, I can get the offending stringer to settle back into place. Am I cracked in thinking this ? Despite a lifetime of woodworking and marine design experience, this is my 1st wooden boat restoration. I did redo the paint and varnish on a small 12ft wooden Corson many years ago, but no structural work beyond rebuilding the seats. As always, any advice from any member is valuable to me and greatly appreciated
 
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I actually put mine on a good trailer and it has begun to re-fit to the new trailer which has flat bunks..It probably would speed up the process to add water (even hot water)I would think but I will let her do it on her own...
 

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Re: Just picked up a 65 Cruiser's Inc 19ft Woody

Have made some progress already. I got the stern of the boat off the bad bunk on the trailer and the hull already looks better. The hump in that area is settling. Today, I got the engine running. Not much work and I didn't let it go for too long as I've no idea how old the impellor might be. Just let it run at idle and kept my eye on the water exit. I'd thought it might **** a bit out the exhaust hole but there's a skeg like piece that hangs below the cav plate that's aft of the water intake where the water exits. Easy to see the water circulating but still did not want to chance any damage to this wonderful old motor. I ordered the orginal owners manual and service manuals today as well as the Thompson Boats CD.
Also stripped off the old vinyl coated canvas and the wood underneath is not bad. The center of the bow section will need to be redone. And finally I spent some time scraping the loose paint and dried up caulk off the hull. I'll be storing the boat for the wintah heah in Maine and heading back to SoCal soon, so I'm trying to get a jumpstart on things. Now that I know the motor runs, the trailer is solid, the boat is fair to good, I guess next spring I'll be going at it full speed ahead.

Brian
 

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In the interest of accuracy, I feel I should post that the year of Mfgr of this boat is very much in question. I have joined several forums since purchasing the boat and one of them is dedicated to boats Mfgr'd by the Thompson Bros which includes Cruiser's Inc. That forum has some extremely knowlegeable folks and it's been made abundantly clear to me that my boat cannot be a 65. I've been unable to find the hull number anywhere on the transom and the metal tag attached to the side of the hull was too far gone to read at all. What we've been able to come up with based on the dimensions of the boat (17'-11" length etc) is that it is most likely (and I stress "likely) a 1962 Commander model. The rear seat as it were was an option and one I am now sure was never installed. I've orderd a CD from a site that has all of the Thompson Bros companies detailed as well as an orginal 1967 Johnson Owner's manual for the big 100hp Golden Meteor and a repair/parts manual from i-boats here. With the engine running well and all the other positive signs, I'm going to move forward with the restoration of this boat to be best of my capabilities.

Brian
 
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Update
The boat is a 1962 Cruiser's Inc Commander 302V 18ft. I was able to obtain a CD which contains brochures for virtually every boat made by Thompson / Cruiser's Inc and when you compare the information on the early 60's Cruiser's Inc line-up with the dimensions of my boat and the way it's built, it can only be a 62. Even after getting it a barn and searching for hull number with a high wattage spotlight I never did find one. Anyway, I've seen several boats exactly like mine listed for sale on various sites and they have been listed as anything from a 62 -65. Seems the correct info on these old boats gets lost to history quickly

Brian
 

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Re: Just picked up a 65 Cruiser's Inc 19ft Woody

Any pics of the boat yett?? i love the old wood boats.. one of the guys i work for has one that he was going to restore but i guess he doesnt want to anymore and i have been thinking of fixing it up
 
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