JW10 carb kit and impeller

itstippy

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I'm trying to locate a carb kit and an impeller for this '52-'53-'54 3HP. I'd prefer an OMC (Bomby) carb kit with replacement float so I can ditch the cork, if such a thing exists. Can anyone tell me the parts numbers or how to find them myself? I'm having a hard time due to the age. The 1952 parts catalog lists the impeller as 277181. No clue on a carb kit. I'm betting replacement parts for newer models will work fine, but I'm also betting one of you guys knows for sure. Help me get this diamond-in-the-rough purring again, will you? Looks like he's been sitting around waiting for love for about 30 or 40 years . . .<br /><br />PS - The ribbed rubber "propeller clutch" ring in the prop is spongy and deteriorated. It looks like a small amount of lower unit oil seeped into the prop over the years and did a chemical number on the rubber clutch ring. It probably saved it from drying out and crumbling away, but it's suspect. Part #300565 by the '52 catalog. Anyone ever replaced these? NO nicks in the prop. Or the lower unit. Thanks all!
 

Paul Moir

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Re: JW10 carb kit and impeller

Evening, itstippy!<br /><br />The prop clutch has superceeded to 315471, and runs about $12 list. Not bad huh? I've never had to replace one but your explanation seems likely.<br /><br />The impeller is now 434424, or 18-3001 aftermarket. They're replacing them with water pump 379770, which is plastic and has replaceable liners, and uses impeller 379763. So if you've got the metal pump and you're sticking with it, use impeller 434424. Careful not to pull up on the driveshaft when you have the impeller housing off. The consequences are not disasterous, but they can be frustrating.<br /><br />Carb kit is 439071.<br /><br />Good luck, those 3hp are truely golden.<br /><br />PS - you might want to pick up head gasket 203130 (~$3) and pop the head off & clean behind it too. There's some passages that can get nasty. Have a look here:<br /> http://www.shareaproject.com/pages/imageDetail,p,182,i,2538,00.html <br />There's an aftermarket one too, but it seems to be a little thicker resulting in a little less compression.
 

itstippy

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Re: JW10 carb kit and impeller

Fantastic. Thanks, Paul, I'm on it.
 

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All sad now. <br />Paul, you were correct, the head gasket was suspect. I believe they ran this motor until the impeller gave out (broken vanes in the water pump, clogging the water outlet). Overheat caused head gasket failure. Motor sat for 40 years waiting for me to come along. The cooling channels look excellent, obviously a fresh water motor. I don't see the auxilliary channels you show in your pics - perhaps the JW10 is more basic. <br />I broke 3 head bolts getting the head off. The pistons & cylinders are nice, no scoring, good compression when I tested it. If I can get these busted bolts out I'll be in great shape. I tipped the motor back and soaked them overnight in Liquid Wrench (that's what's in the cylinders making them look rusty) and this morning I tried turning out the one with the most meat left on it. I got the vice grips on solid and twisted the bolt off almost flush with the block. "Gosh darn" I said.<br />Now what? I have enough meat left on two bolts to try heat or spit or whatever you good folks recommend. The third will need to be drilled or "EZ out" or something. Any hope for an ameteur like me, or should I just pull the powerhead and take it to a real machine shop?<br /> <br />
 

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Aw, that ain't so bad. Not around here anyway!<br /><br />Heat is the magic bolt remover. Really, it's the only thing that works worth a damn. Use MAPP gas if you can, propane takes forever to get things warm enough. It will get those two remaining bolts out. With the amount of acess you have to the corrosion, penetrating oil may help a bit. Honestly, I think it's pointless most the time.<br /><br />The very worst thing you can ever use on an outboard is an EZ-Out. They almost never work, and when they fail you're stuck finding a machine shop with an EDM drill machine to remove the EZ-Out for you. They are a curse on the desperate.<br /><br />The right one will need a different tactic. There's a few to chose from. <br />You can weld a nut to the stud if you've got a welder. The heat of welding can often break the corrosion's bond so the stud turns out freely. The aluminium isn't a problem since it's so conductive to heat, it will just sit there with a glowing stud in it. That is, unless you hit it with the arc direct naturally.<br />I often give this a try because it's easy for me and it works occasionally. The consequences are not bad - if the nut twists off, I'm just back to square one.<br /><br />Next step is to drill out with the intent of leaving the aluminium untouched. For this you need to centre drill the bolt precisely. That means getting the top of the bolt flat with a file as best you can and centre punching it, and then running in with a 1/8" drill bit nice and square. Then increase the diameter of the bit until you just reach the minor diameter of the bolt (around a #7 bit or 13/64). At that point, only the screw's threads remain in there and you can free them by tapping them loose with a small hammer and tiny slot screwdriver until you get a tab to grab. Then just wind the old thread out. <br />If at any stage you detect movement in the bolt, count yourself lucky and wind it out. Bang in an allen key or whatever fits. This is the only time an easy out type device can be considered. If you wind off centre with your drilling, it's best to attempt a repair. I have a tiny carbide mill for my dremel tool that works prefectly for this.<br /><br />If that isn't going to work, then keep drilling up and install a heli-coil. Most professionals jump right to this step since time is the overriding factor. You may want to too, but getting the the hole on centre is still crucial.<br /><br />Some people will instead of using a helicoil, simply drill and tap for a larger screw. There's a few good reasons not to go that route in this case. One is you'll need to drill the head too to fit the larger screw, and second you'll have to use a different torque setting to get the same clamping force on the head. It can be done, but it's an ugly solution.<br /><br />The block is just the same as the 4hp. It even has those two posts on the top although they're unused on the later engines. If you stick a screwdriver or drill or whatever into the hole on the top port side of the block, just at the top of the water passage, right above the exhaust area you'll see that the screwdriver runs right through into the cylinder jacket. But then it continues, right to the passage on the starboard, which goes down the block.<br />But it looks like the top passage at least is clear. Probably the bottom one is too, but feel in there with a pick.<br /><br />I'll leave it to you to decide if you want to do it or not. Usually it's not very difficult and really requires more patience and care than skill. It is time consuming. Accept no advice but from people who work on marine engines - it really does not compare to the sort of troubles encountered anywhere else. Rusty auto exhaust parts are simple by comparison.<br /><br />Check and de-warp the cylinder head. I often find them in need of a little bit of surfacing. This is just the hand surfacing where you're at best taking off a couple thousandths: use no power tools.
 

itstippy

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Re: JW10 carb kit and impeller

All happy now! <br />I did it just like the man said, with excellent results. Some heat and the first two came out. Progressive drilling of the last one and I was eventually able to coil the threads out of the hole like a spring in a spiral notebook. Thanks Paul!<br />I still had the camera out in the shop so I snapped a pic of my sophisticated milling machine:<br />
 

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Perfect job! Gotta love it when it goes right to plan. :) <br /><br />You know, I've got an exact same exact drill stand.
 
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