Lifter noise

llerrad

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Wellcraft, 454's, runing at 3,400 rpm engins warm to normal temp, oil pres. good.
then one eng. beings to develope left engine only odd exhaust sound, popping, rpm stay the same oil press. same. idle back engins the one eng. loud lifter rap. keep at lower rpm 3-5 min. rap goes away. Run fast again sound and rap come back, low rpm all is fine. Thoughts and fixes?
 

Bondo

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Re: Lifter noise

Ayuh,....

I think I'd change the Oil,+ Filter, then cut the filter apart looking for Metal.....

Whatever you've got only on, Can't be Good...
 

bolo78910

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Re: Lifter noise

listen to the mechanical fuel pump if your engine has that tipe, i was trouble with those tapping noise recently, it turn out to be my fuel pump was knocking, liste carefully use a piece of hose or a stethscope to your ears.
 

KJSmitty

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Re: Lifter noise

listen to the mechanical fuel pump if your engine has that tipe, i was trouble with those tapping noise recently, it turn out to be my fuel pump was knocking, liste carefully use a piece of hose or a stethscope to your ears.


Not sure if they use that type of mechanical fuel pump yet that was an outstanding suggestion/idea. Couldn't tell you how many mechs would tear into replacing lifters just to eventually figure out the fuel pump was bad.

Explanation, many GM engines used the front engine mounted mechanical fuel pump. It was driven via a cam off the actual camshaft via a metal rod. When the fuel pump actuator arm/diaphragm spring would weaken it would cause the rod to tap on the cam lobe just like a bad lifter.


However,

llerrad mentioned a strange "popping exhaust note". This would lead me to believe something is very likely amiss with the valve-train (but one never knows...). Could be a bad lifter that is bleeding down at higher rpm. Could also just be a rocker arm nut that backed off. Could be worse:eek:

I would suggest attempting to locate which side of the engine the ticking is on. If you have quad exhaust this could be as easy as listening to the popping you describe - or listen for the tick via stethoscope or long metal rod/extension to the ear method.

Once you determine the side, pull that valve cover and feel all of the rocker arms and push-rods as well as look for anything not matching the others etc.. You will most likely want to tap/rotate the engine over with the valve cover off to feel each rocker/push rod with-once the valves are closed. This way you may determine which is looser than the others. Best way would be to run the engine with the cover off but this involves creative oil control or clips for the rockers etc..


Lastly - did you happen to over rev the engine recently??

Good luck
 

llerrad

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Re: Lifter noise

did listen to eng. when rapping, just after long run at 3,400rpm, cyl 3 top end of eng. not fuel pump. again this is when odd exhaust sound develops. Idle down and run for 3-5 min rap goes away. thoughts on sticky lifter? does this eng. have hyd. lifters and one is collapsing? (Bondo) will check filter for metal what is your thought? what could be shaving?
 

KJSmitty

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Re: Lifter noise

Idle down and run for 3-5 min rap goes away. thoughts on sticky lifter? does this eng. have hyd. lifters and one is collapsing? (Bondo) will check filter for metal what is your thought? what could be shaving?


What year / HP rating is the engine(s)? However, I highly doubt it's a solid lifter/cam. :) And yes, the lifter could be collapsing (bleeding down as i call it) at higher rpms - resulting from just a worn lifter or possible oil delivery issue to that lifter.

The "shaving", if occurring would typically be the lifter face that contacts the cam and/or the cam lobe itself (not sure if the engine has roller lifters or not). If this was the case however, 99% of cases like that result in constant lifter ticking - depending on severity of wear etc.

I would start by pulling the valve cover and checking the adjustment on both #3 cylinder intake and exhaust rockers. If good, you may just have to pull the intake and diagnose both cam lobes and associated valve-train on #3.
 

Bondo

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Re: Lifter noise

does this eng. have hyd. lifters and one is collapsing?

Ayuh,...

It no doubt has Hyd. Lifters,...

It could be a Lifter, or it could be the Cam itself going Bad,....
 
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