Lifting Pontoon Boat for Cleaning

JonathanEngr

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Last year I took the time to clean the 'toons on my boat, and primarily focused on areas reachable in and around the bunks. However, I'd like to give a good cleaning and polishing to the *whole* set of 'toons this year.

My pontoon trailer is the typical bunk style trailer, 24-feet in length. In order to get around the bunks, my idea was to use lag bolts to fasten two 4"x4" uprights to the ends a single 12' long 4"x4", making a squared "u" shape. I would place the 12-foot section across the underside bracing and use floor jacks to lift the two 4"x4" uprights (which distribute the load to the 12' 4"x4" and thus to the cross members). Once I've lifted the pontoon on one side high enough, I was going to place something (a short section of a 4"x4"???? maybe a 6"x6" for more space) across the bunks--one at each weld seam, for a total of three. I would then lower the pontoon back on the three short 4"x4" section to keep the pontoon safely elevated for cleaning.

First of all, does this sound feasible? Are the weld areas in a pontoon in fact the strongest points? Would the short 4"x4" sections work well at these seams, or would something work better? I saw something about foam pontoon cradles in a post somewhere, but can't find anything like it at Overtons or anywhere else (plus, 4"x4" would likely be lots cheaper). If I use the 4"x4" timbers, should I place a piece of foam on top of them to give some padding? Essentially, I just need some input from you experts out there before I get started on this. Yes--I have considered a lifting trailer, but 1) I don't know anyone who owns one, and 2) I'd have to drop my boat into the water, get the trailer, put it on the trailer, yada, yada... just a lot to go through.

Lastly, is there an easier and better idea? This is just the best I came up with from googling and brainstorming. Actually, it's more like a brain "drizzle"!! Thanks in advance for any help and/or advice.
 

asdasc

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Re: Lifting Pontoon Boat for Cleaning

That is how I would do it. When I pull mine for the winter I leave it up on blocks, which is simply four cinder blocks, one in about 2' from each corner, with a section of 2x6 on it to protect the bottom of the 'toons. It seems to be fine.

I have always wondered if I put more stress on it with the blocks or if I would be better off just dropping it onto the ground.
 

rentprop1

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Re: Lifting Pontoon Boat for Cleaning

what are you going to use to clean the toons ?? acid ?? chemicals ??

I was always worried the acid would streak onto the trailer
 

JonathanEngr

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Re: Lifting Pontoon Boat for Cleaning

Well, I finally got it done!!!!! I must say--I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever do this again. Polishing pontoons is some of the hardest work I've ever done stooped over 1/2-way. I'd been told and also read in some places to anticipate 20-30 hours of labor, and I thought that was waaaaay too much. As it turns out, it took me more than 30 hours. Oh--and it is nasty work. My wife gave me the nickname "tin man", and I'm still cleaning aluminum dust out of my ears. The pic is attached at the bottom of this post--I'd love to hear comments!! At least it'd make me feel better while sitting here in my padded room :)

Okay--so here's how it went. The first thing I did was to figure out how to lift my pontoons off of the bunks safely, and even more importantly to have them raised safely so I could work underneath them. In short, I made a large "T" out of 4x4 timbers, about 42" high (measured it for my pontoon) and 6 feet long. I then used 45-degree angle braces to be sure the "T" was strong enough not to bend over the 6-foot length. I used a floor jack, set the "T" on top of it, had a friend raise it until it was snug against several cross members, climbed out from under the boat and lifted. Viola! Worked perfectly. I started at the back lifting it first since it's heaviest (the front actually lifted to keep the 'toons straight) and I placed two 2x4's across the bunks at the weld seams. I did the same in the middle and front. Now--in the back, I had to build a "bench" under the bunks where the 2x4's were because the bunks started to bend badly from the weight of the 2x4's being pressed there (the steel bunk supports stop about 2 feet from the back of my bunks). Once this was done, I lowered the pontoon down and it was nice and stable. Oh--and I had the trailer hooked to a ball hitch on my tractor during this for stability, and also had the wheels of the trailer secured.

Once raised, man-oh-man did I have a mess on the bottom of my pontoons. Caked-on crusty stuff everywhere that my pressure washer and scrubbing wouldn't budge. I had to take a putty knife and scrape the bottom sides of the pontoons, which took a couple of hours to finally get it all off. Once this was done, I used a mild car wash detergent to wash the pontoons along with a soft 3-M pad to scour any mild, built-on stuff. Once dry, I used the sharkhide cleaner (what I used last year to clean my 'toons), which is basically an acid wash. Now--I didn't have any streaking *from* the acid wash, but there were vertical streaks on the pontoons where they had been left underwater (docked) from the previous owner. Hard water stains? I'm not sure. With that said, when you use the sharkhide cleaner it's very specific about keeping all areas covered continuously, maybe to keep streaks from occurring. But I had no problems with that. The washing, drying and acid washing took probably a total of 3 or 4 hours.

Now the fun began. Let me tell you--if I had really any idea of what I was about to begin, I never would have done it. Never. If there are guys out there on these forums that do this for a living, I have all of the respect in the world for you. This was *hard work*. I don't care what you charge, it's not enough. I was so impressed with the Sharkhide cleaner that I also bought the Sharkhide polish. I will say that it was easy to use, and boy does it cut. I had all kinds of scratches on the pontoons, and they're gone--absolutely gone. All but the deepest. Those probably could have been buffed out with enough time, but I'd probably have a big hole in my pontoons if I had tried :) However, it did cut too well in my opinion. In their video online, it shows using the side of the buffer wheel, this polished through the scratches, pits, and so-on like a hot knife through butter, but you have to reeeeeeally apply pressure. Not bad for the first hour, but the next 29 will kill you. Anyway, you do each area twice, and the 'toons literally--*literally*--look like mirrors. Let me jump ahead and say I used the Sharkhide sealer after cleaning off the residue since I didn't want them exposed (another lengthy process--more on this later). However, they're mirrors with swirl marks. Here's the problem I had. During the day with the sun overhead, they looked flawless, but that night--when I turned on my work lights--I wanted to bang my head against a brick wall. It looked just terrible. Well, to me, anyway. I tend to be a perfectionist, which can be good on rare occasions, but in such circumstances it's just bad. It took me 30 mins to remove the protectant with lacquer thinner, and I tried dry-buffing over and over with a flat wheel, but to no avail. I was very, very frustrated.

In steps Mother's fine aluminum polish (fine being the grit). Now--this stuff doesn't touch sharkhide polish for cutting ability. I tried using Mothers on the inside of the 'toons from the start (I was running out of Sharkhide), and it took a good 4 or 5 polishings in the same area to get it as clean as one polishing with the sharkhide. HOWEVER, using Mothers after the sharkhide was just absolutely, stunningly beautiful. I used the flat part of the buffing wheel, wiping the Mothers over the *entire* area to be polished before buffing (with Sharkhide, you use a spatula and just put a dab here and there in the general area you plan to polish), turn the RPM's to full (btw--I used a Makita professional buffer with variable speed from 1500 to 2800 rpm), and buffed over the polish. Let me tell you--no matter what angle or what light, these pontoons are 100% swirl-free. Thus, if anyone asks if it can be done, the answer is yes. I'm not so sure it can be done with just a single polish, however, as advertised on the Sharkhide page. If you don't mind some swirls, maybe so. Or I could just be doing it wrong, which would not be a surprise (the their credit, Sharkhide does recommend using a variable speed buffer with min RPM of around 500, but none of the body shops I called had anything under 1200 rpm). I was very, very, very impressed with the finish quality of the Mothers polish.

Okay--I actually polished, cleaned and sealed the pontoons 1/2 at a time (outside left, inside left, outside right, inside right), but for the sake of this story, the actual *polishing* easily took 20 hours. It is really that labor intensive. The worst part was the front. Due to the bends, angles and the "?fins?", you get to do all of this by hand (same with the very bottom of the 'toons--the buffer couldn't reach under there). To hand-buff those to the same, shiny finish as the other areas using a 1500-2800 rpm buffer took some serious elbow grease, and lots and lots of repeat polishings. But... I got it done. Now--just when I thought the worst was over, I had to clean the pontoons before applying the protectant. Boy do I hope the protectant works. Now--it supposedly won't keep gunk and dirt from getting on the pontoons, but it seals the aluminum so it won't re-oxidize and lose the luster. We'll see. It had better! Anyway, cleaning the residue is awful. Just awful. Let me tell you--when you're through with the polishing, it's virtually a flawless mirror finish. You'll see pockets of residue here and there, and I wiped most of it off with a soft, dry cloth. The 'toons look clean, but ALL of the reside has to be off to make sure the Sharkhide protectant is directly on the aluminum.

So... you use lacquer thinner to remove the reside of the Sharkhide polish, and isopropyl alcohol to remove the Mother's residue. I started with alcohol. I literally wiped and wiped the same area 10 or 15 times for the jet-black residue I was picking up to turn into a light gray. This is why they recommend paper towels. I used the paper towels that are 1/2-size, and used 4 at a time folded up. I would use it for a swipe, use the back, refold it, reapply the cleaner, swipe it and so-on until the paper towel was thoroughly used. Once it was clean with alcohol, I used lacquer thinner. I thought they had to be mostly clean, but no... even more came off with the lacquer thinner. It took me 5 of the *huge* bottles of alcohol, two gallons of lacquer thinner and 6 jumbo rolls of Scott's paper towels to clean all of the pontoons. This easily took 4 or 5 hours in total.

Finally, the easy part. Applying the Sharkhide protectant. Douse a cotton baby diaper with the stuff, and rub it on in one direction, turn and go back in the other direction with a 1" overlap. Once you've done the area, repeat going the the directions opposite that you just went. This probably took 30 minutes total. Now--it took 30 mins for me to run out of protectant. If I had 5 gallons of the stuff I would have spent hours on this step just to be sure the work I had just completed would not have to be repeated!!!!!! I do plan on ordering another quart and reapplying in a week or so (you have to wait 2-3 days min between additional coats).

Now--the results. I always wondered if this would improve the performance of my pontoon, and it certainly did. Using my GPS, I gained a *solid* 3 to 4 mph top speed, but the biggest difference is in the lower rpms. I have no doubt the biggest improvement came from removing the jagged, hard, crusty stuff from the bottom of the 'toons, but feeling the aluminum before and after polishing was a world of difference, too. Water is a much more dense fluid than air (I guess this is obvious, trying swinging your arm in the air and do the same underwater), and there's a lot of the pontoon in the water. Thus, any reduction in drag coefficient makes somewhat of a difference.

So--there you have it. I love the way the pontoons look, it gave me (I feel) a great boost in performance, but would I do it again? Nope. Not a chance. Hopefully the Sharkhide protectant works, and I'll post back here at the end of the year to update everyone (it's supposed to last 2-3 years if you pull your boat out of the water, which I do). If not, I'll sit back and let the 'toons re-oxidize and be happy about it.
 

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asdasc

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It certainly does look nice!

I wonder how much of the speed gain you would have gotten if you stopped after simply removing the gunk? Then you could have potentially just polished the top half of the outsides. Although I am sure you feel better about the job having done it right.

Congratulations on a job well done.
 

JonathanEngr

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I don't doubt that most of the speed gain came from cleaning the gunk off of the bottom of the pontoons. I used the acid wash last year and gave the pontoons a good cleaning in the bunks, but had no idea how much gunk was on the very bottom hidden by the bunks. It was unbelievable stuff. It was so hard to remove I almost decided to use a hammer with the putty knife to help chip it off, but I was afraid of puncturing the pontoons.

I did want to polish it all around to give me the slickest surface for the boat to glide on, and after removing the deposits I really, really wanted to polish them up hoping to keep that from happening again. Of course, I pull my boat out of the water when not in use, and the folks I bought it from kept it docked in a marina, thus it sat in the water year-round (I guess they might have pulled it out during the winter).

I love to tinker, and would still like to see if there are ways to improvfe the speed. I only have 90 hp, so I"m not sure strakes would do me any good, and the price of the Pontoon Waterglide (which would just be fun to tinker with) has almost doubled. I was on the fence when it was priced at $995, and now, at $1800, I just can't justify it. I did add a hydrofoil to my 50 hp and saw an increase in top speed, however, I also cleaned the 'toons and changed the prop, so it could be one of those that made the difference and not the hydrofoil. But hey--it's just fun to see what works and what doesn't!

I'm still amazed that cleaning and polishing the pontoons increased my top speed as much as going from a 50 hp to 90 hp motor.
 

KStoon

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I can feel your pain brother!! I'm rehabbing an old JC pontoon which was left in the lake for years before the owner I bought it from bought it. I have U shaped logs which makes it a little easier to work on but still! I'm having to sand the logs 1st before I can even start polishing. 1st I'm using diluted a/c coil cleaner applied with a spray bottle and scrubbing with a brown scotchbrite pad to remove the deposits and discoloration. After rinsing I sand with 180 grit on a D/A sander and work thru the different finer grits untill I get to 1000 or 1500 grit. Using the coarser grits and then moving finer actually saves me steps as when trying to just buff I found myself having to go back and sand out gouges and flaws which resulted in taking longer than just ensuring my area was smooth and true 1st. It's an old boat so perfection is impossible (deeper scratches and dents). Then I buff. I've been using the red and white rouge with decent results. I will definatly look into the Sharkhide and Mothers polish too. I am curious about the stuff being demonstrated by a vendor on Manufacturers Midway at the NHRA drag races I attend . They have beer kegs and pop can bottoms which look like mirrors! Usually I'm more interested in 8,000 hp and nitromethane so I don't usually linger at their booth but I did get their card to investigate online as a possible solution to my pollishing woes! Yes I've had the sanity doubts and comments when proclaiming my desire to polish my 'toon also! In my defense, my 'toon is just plain nasty and any re-decking and furnature replacement would seem senseless without at least cleaning up the logs. I'm not getting the area below the water line too perfect as I guess it was the algae which pitted it like small worm trails which would require too much sanding to eliminate. i don't need tin foil logs on the bottoms!! What I have done came out looking nice but I would like the swirl free mirror finish you experienced. I'm just getting back to it this spring after the winter so I am trying stretch out the punishment. I will use Sharkhide to protect it when done. Good job!! Yours looks awesome!!
 

JonathanEngr

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Re: Lifting Pontoon Boat for Cleaning

Thanks so much for the compliment! And wow--I thought I had a difficult road, you're besting me by quite a bit.

Thus far the 'toons look just like they did when I finished. I long for them to remain that way, especially since nothing more is going to be done to them (by me!) regardless of what happens. I do have to say that I've been enjoying the attention. I cannot believe how many people stop and ask me if the 'toons are stainless (do they even make stainless pontoons?), or ask what I did to polish them. I spoke with a guy today who had polished several pontoons but never got them to as clear a finish as I did mine. I think the biggest difference was he did it by hand... every single time. Wow.

Good luck with your project, and definitely post some pics along the way!
 

KStoon

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Will do. I'll post something either here or in restoration when I'm further into it or finishing. Time seems to slip away once things warm up with one too many projects or chores to do. I try to work a little on some evenings now in the spring when it's a nice temp and the mosquitos don't come in flocks! I knew going in it's a slow process but seeing a nice finish after I move over keeps me working. Mine will never have a finish to be confused with stainless due to the nicks and dings suffered over the years but it will look light years better than when I bought it. I guess I'm a sucker for hard cases. My many car projects attest to that. I just like the character of the 'ol JC. I like it's older squarish lines. Like a '68 Roadrunner. I just don't get that "feel" when pouring over the new 'toons sitting in the showrooms at good 'ol Bass Pro. Don't get me wrong, I like the nice newer boats with all of their cool features and such. Just my budget doesn't seem to! Once again, nice work! Thanks for some good advise on finishing the polish and enjoy the compliments! Any 'toon polisher has my respect! :eek:
 
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