Loading Blunder!

GodsBeast

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Well, I finally did it Sunday. Went out and had a nice day ridding in the boat. Came back and docked with no Problems. Went and got the truck and backed down the ramp. Still No problem, backed down till the Carpet on the boards got wet like I usually always do. Then put the truck into drive and began to pull the trailer back up into loading position, where the back pontoon guides just bearly stick out of the water. Problem was, forgot that the water has been steadly dropping. When I began to go forward the tires caught on the edge of the drop off at the end of the ramp! <br /> I remembered a couple of Months back a guy that had never loaded a boat, backed a trailer down for a guy and had also backed off the edge of the ramp. We tied a rope around the end of the trailer and pulled backwards with the boat at the same time the truck began pulling forward, to lift the tires enough to get back on the edge of the ramp. So I decided to try this! I had the rope hooked too long, and it slid to one side, just lifting one side of the trailer. As I got back into the water, I tied the rope around the frame again, but also around the center Pontoon boards, so it would not slip to one side, and was going to shorten the rope, also. A friend of mine showed up, and suggested that I was strong enough to pick the back of the trailer up by hand! I began thinking, with the trailer in the water, even though a large tandom trailer for a 25' Tritoon, I might be able to swing it. So I just stood on the deck of the boat, and did a rope dead lift. My wife asked my friend to drive the truck, she was nervous about the predicament. I was able to pick it up enough for him to pull the tires back onto the Concrete! I was glad I only have those smaller tires, didn't have to lift it as high.<br />As I was lifting, other boaters were just docking, to wait their turn to load. Just after pulling it onto the ramp, I then loaded without further blunders. I apoligized to the others for tying up the ramp, even though it was not that long, I've seen others take longer to load without circumstances like this. A couple of them said, No problem, I've been there, the others said, "Well I'll, know what to do if it happens to me, if you can lift that big trailer, I should be able to lift my little one." At least that made me feel good! I was just glad that the water has not turned cold yet, that happening after it gets cold, would not be so good! <br /> I also don't plan to repeat this mistake, I plan to back into loading position and use a Big Gulp glass, or bucket to splash the carpet, from now on. Floyd, the guy that owns the Marina, also came out and said this happens when the water drops this low, and my trailer being so long, I might have to keep an eye out. I plan to bring him two poles, and sink one at each edge of the drop-off, so I will at least know where the edge is, as well as others. <br /> Just wanted others to remember when the water is dropping, know where the drop off is at the end of the ramp! <br /> Now, if it is cold, anybody have any bright ideas about how to tie the rope around the end of the trailer without diving in the water? I don't plan on repeating the mistake, but I know how I am, I helped the other guy when his friend did it, and I just can't stand by and watch someone in trouble without helping, (If they will let me). Plus if I am stuck behind him, waiting to use the ramp, we need to clear it. So I figured, especially up North, where the water gets colder faster, someone might have figured a bright idea for lifting a trailer, or tying off a rope, to lift, without diving, once it is just too cold?<br /> I'd appreciate any bright ideas! :D
 

jpbaker

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Re: Loading Blunder!

Took me awhile to visulize all this but I finally got the picture. ;) Man that was some predicament you had there. I have a 24' Toon<br />myself. Unfortunately for me I'am the second owner, and the original owner saw fit only to get a single axel trailer for hauling. My axel is about 3/4 back to the rear and your situation got me thinking more myself about paying more attention to the end ramp when I'am launching/retrieving. So don't feel bad, I know I learned something. Thanks!!! :D :D :D .
 

chuckybaby

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Up North here, where the water gets colder faster, we have a very good trick. We put our boats away for the winter !!!!!<br /> <br />Was gonna go ice fishing the other day...had a hell of a time getting the boat thru that little hole...woka woka woka
 

cotterman

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we don't all put them away early......some of us get really cold legs :D
 

GodsBeast

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JPBaker, that is why I wrote it, to save someone else getting in the same situation. I certainly didn't enjoy telling on myself! :D Just guessing, but I figure a 24' toon would rate a 2 axle trailer. Something I might check into, adding or getting later on.<br /><br />Chuckybaby, LMAO, I can see how your way of putting the boats away early might be a smart thing to do! I am not always known for doing the SMART Thing though :D That was not quite the great idea I had in mind. I have pondered on it some though. Way down south here, I have on occasion, had weather warm enough to wash vehicles with shorts, no shirt or shoes on Christmas Day. It seems there is always at least one day or two out of each month of the year to be able to get out on the boat. You might not do any kneeboarding, but it is warm enough to take a nice slow cruise or do some fishing. So, as I said before I don't plan to repeat this mistake, but I have decided to get a second grab pole with a good hook on it. I have got more than one use for this hook, but One use will be to put a rope around a submerged object, (like a trailer frame) and the other grab pole to grab and pull up the rope, hopefully keeping ME out of cold water! I guess you can just blame it on my old Boy Scout days, BE PREPARED, and willing to help someone out in a fix!
 

GodsBeast

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Yea but Cotterman, I was standing on the back frame and the water was over my waist, and I still had to put my head under water, submerging my whole body to put the rope around the trailer frame I was standing on! If the water would have been cold, that would have been a whole lot more than cold legs. :eek:
 

chuckybaby

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Actually, we're hoping for one more overcast day in the 40's. We'll head up to my lake for nighttime walleye's. It's the only time you can get the 10+ pounders in this lake. Life jackets and slip shoes are compulsory. My partner is already pissed...told him 2 rods only and 1 goes in storage. This guy would bring 20 rods and 100 lbs of tackle if I let him.
 

GodsBeast

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Hey Chuckybaby, make sure to have at least 3 Rods on the boat, you never know, you might could use the rods to fish the rope around the Frame if you find yourself in this predicament! :D <br /><br />I Confess, I am like your friend, I like plenty of gear also! I know it can be a pain, but it sometimes comes in handy. ;)
 

Ken G

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Here's a thought. Tie a line around a plastic bottle such as a 2 liter soda bottle or a small bleach bottle. Push the bottle under the trailer frame with a boat hook or other pole with a Y on one end. The bottle will float back up bringing the line with it. You now have a loop around the frame. You may have to partially fill the bottle with water to make it easier to submerge. It should beat getting wet.
 

heyttown

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Depending on the type of anchor you have, mine has 2 blades that dig into the ground, park the boat right above where the rear of the trailer is drop that anchor in and go fishing for some trailer rail............ :D
 

GodsBeast

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Good thinking Ken, might just work in a pinch! How about letting me add to that, Someone usually always has a fishing pole and cork with them. Might could just put a large cork on the end of a fishing line, (still on fishing rod) Push the end of the fishing rod under the trailer frame, and punch button or flip bail and let the cork pop up! Then tie the rope to the fishing line and pull it back through! Thanks, great idea, Ken. :D And your right, it beats getting cold.<br /><br />Heytown, I think your idea is good also. I have been planning to add chain to my anchor! I can fabricate a quick saddle hook, that will fit around most rear trailer frames. Use my quick connect add a chain fitting (which is already on my boat to secure the tie strap) hook it to the anchor chain, Drop and pull from the deck!<br /><br />Both excellent ideas guys, you never know, we might have just helped others reading this, that may find themselves in a simular situation!
 

ebbtide176

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you might find out if it would hurt to throw several sacks of quikrete at the ends of the ramp. if the marina charges to launch, maybe they will do it. just a thought
 

GodsBeast

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Another excellent idea Ebb, I know Floyd personally, he'll do it! I am also going to bring him the poles to mark the edge and drive them myself. The sack concrete should help keep it from being a drop off Edge, but I still will never back that far again.
 

jtexas

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I know you don't want to plan for this to happen, but why not tie one end of a rope to the *** -end of the trailer and the other up front and just leave it there. Then it'll be there if [when] you need it - never go swimming again!
 

bob58

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Up North we shift the rig to 4wd low range and stay dry ;)
 

GodsBeast

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JTexas, another good idea, that would also work for me if it happens again. It would also be something else to keep an eye on, if it were to wear out or come aloose. Like I said, I don't plan to let this happen to me again. Mostly I was looking for ideas, in case I end up getting stuck in line behind someone else that finds themself in this position, and they probably won't have a rope tied on theirs already. I think the Rod, reel, and cork, and tying and reeling the rope back around the frame should work just fine, without having to get wet, when it is cold. So far as the warmer months, I have no problems Swimming! :D <br /><br /> Still Learning; I once had a 4wd GMC Jimmy, that I pulled a Semi, and a 18 Wheeler low boy trailer with a Bulldozer loaded on the trailer, that was hung on some Railroad Tracks. I also pulled my sister's 14' X 80' House Trailer, and the Semi that was hooked to it. We only hooked to it, because the clutch blew on the Semi on an Exit Ramp, on a Holiday, and Traffic was backed up. <br />I now also own a 1 ton dually, Crew Cab, with a 454 in it that will pull with the best of them. <br />I don't believe either one of those trucks would have jerked this trailer out, without doing some serious damage to the trailer, if it would have pulled it out at all, without lifting! You have to remember the trailer was caught on the Edge of Concrete, not the tires, SO IN REALITY, YOU WOULD BE TRYING TO PULL UP THE CONCRETE RAMP! This is not a job for a 4 WD pickup, and I didn't pay all this money for this trailer, to pull up ramps with it! <br /><br />In my lifetime, I have more experience than most others my age in pulling things. My Grandpa once plowed a field with a Plymouth Car, and could drive a one wheel pulling Pickup truck in places some guys would stick a 4 WD, and he passed on many of his tricks to me. He learned many of his tricks, because he lived in hard times, and had to make do, and make wenches, and tools out of things available to him. HE LEARNED TO BE INVENTIVE. <br /><br />The point of me posting this whole thread, was to learn, and pass on experiences with others, without tearing up a lot of equipment. My Grandpa told my dad, and I, "A MAN THAT DOESN"T USE HIS HEAD, JUST AS SOON HAVE TWO AZZHOLES." <br /><br />Hopefully, up North, folks have longer Ramps, or less water dropping, or Maintain the ramps edges a little better, than we do. <br /><br />Still Learning, hopefully if you find yourself in this position, you won't damage a trailer, over the trailer frame having to be lifted just a couple of inches to get the Springs over the concrete edge so the tires can pull up over the Concrete. Just jerking it out, to stay Dry, is going to prove you still have a little to learn, after you have jerked that trailer out, and realize it is bent up too bad to pull your boat home on it. <br /><br />I would advise if you plan to jerk it out, that you weld or have a small skid plate welded on the bottom of your frame in front of your springs, at an angle, so you can drag it over the springs. You might bend or scrape this plate up, but it would be better than the damage of jerking against a flat unmovable object of two flat surfaces. The Shackle Box, and the Flat edge of the Concrete. ;) I wish you Luck, and hope you never get in this position. But prepare, instead of repair, for it before it happens! :D
 

bob58

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Problem was, forgot that the water has been steadly dropping. When I began to go forward the tires caught on the edge of the drop off at the end of the ramp!
tires caught on the edge of the drop off at the end of the ramp! <br /><br />In reading your post this is what I saw.<br />Tires caught=4WD<br />Shackles for Leaf Springs=Get Wet!
 

GodsBeast

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I sit, Corrected! Good Point, I used the wrong term, we are all Still Learning. :D Now, that we've all discussed it:<br /><br />Even Shackles caught doesn't have to = Getting Wet! ;)
 

Hunky Dory

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Thanks for getting into it! I'd never considered the potential for shackles stuck against concrete. Seems like a "shackle skidplate" should be considered by all late season reservoir boaters...
 

GodsBeast

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Your welcome Hunky Dory, I'm kind of glad for the mix-up now, I plan to weld on two small skid plates, just in front of each shackle housing, so it shouldn't be a problem for me any more. <br />Not only good for late season(ers) but also good for those that may want to try ramps they are not familiar with. Sure beats getting hung up, and it will stiffen the shacke box!. <br /><br />Glad we all could learn from my Mistake! :)
 
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