Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

[KCLOST]

Hey, I was running the boat today and yesterday testing two different props and various trim angles...<br />My question to you (or anyone with a similar set-up to mine) is, do you have a tilt/trim guage? And if so how far up have you been able to trim the motor safely? My guage is pretty simple... Is basically has 7 white ticks, followed by two red ticks that are much farther apart from each other....No degree indication on the guage...<br /><br />Today I was pushing the trim out quite a bit (more than I'm used to) and noticed that when I got the motor out to the point that the guage was reading at the 5th-6th white mark, low and behold the bow of the boat finally started to raise up noticeably to get me up on pad. This was only shortlived however as I had to slow down due to high waves (windy day). I was using a 24P trophy and running just about 60mph at the time at 5600 rpm...<br /><br />Does this sound normal, or should I get up on pad sooner? What do you think? <br />Another question, should I be able to run the boat at WOT (with the motor tilted out to the max 20 degrees) assuming the water is calm enough to do it safely? Or is that stupid to even try?<br />No chine walking today either... <br />Boat and motor below.....

 

[wilde1j]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

I've always trimmed to max kickout w/o porpoising occuring. The easiest way is to trim for max mph, giving the boat 20-30 seconds to stabilize between small changes. 20° sounds pretty radical though unless the transom is far from vertical.

 

[KCLOST]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

I've had no porpoising yet... I'm anxious to really see what this boat has, but the darn lake I'm frequently on, is not full of wide open stretches, has lots of boat traffic, and WIND as of lately.... I don't want to get too crazy trying.<br /><br />My transom isn't vertical however, the motor at its fully down position is probably 3-5 degrees forward\\\\\ (like the backslash's show if looking from the right side of the boat). At that position the guage reads at the bottom white mark.... After doing some checking when the motor is vertical (or perpendicular to the side rails of the boat) the guage reads right between the 3rd and 4th tick mark.... Makes me think I'm not trimming out much yet? I just begin to see a rooter tail at the 5th tick, by the way...

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

You go dude!!! You may actually be able to go another pitch up if you are not even full trim yet. Go the full 20 degrees and see if your prop blows out. If not, then you may be able to raise your engine another hole. Told ya your boat had more in it!! <br /><br />If it starts to blow out, you might want to try a four blade in the same pitch.

 

[KCLOST]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

Thanks Lube, I will try it out... I had the 24p Trophy 4-blade on the boat yesterday... I tried the 25P Lazer II 3-blade on Saturday. I got it up to around 60mph at 5500 rpm, but didn't trim out quite as much.

 

[quantumleap]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

Yeah with your transom angled the way it is, your gauge is a little misleading, but I bet it pops you up on plane in a second with the trim tucked all the way in. I too run mine trim up until the bow bobs, then let back down a bit. This always seems to produce the highest top end.

 

[KCLOST]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

It does pop up quick, especially with a 24p prop or less, the 25pitch I tried Sunday causes some hesitation getting up on plane, might even be worse with two people... But still on plane within 3-5 secs.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

How was your WOT performance with the 25P?

 

[KCLOST]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

I reached 60mph at 5500 rpm.... Probably trimmed out to the 4th tick mark on the guage... However I didn't get up on pad yet... I didn't trim out quite as much with the 25 as I did the the 24....

 

[Mettaree]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

You might try some tramson wedges if you could without having to buy them. Might make a difference.

 

[KCLOST]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

bump.... For WalleyMan...

 

[Walleye Man]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

I have a Rude 200 with a 20' Stratos Bass Boat. So fairly similar setup. My engine goes past vertical also when all the way down. I use a 21+ 3 blade prop and can get on plane in 3-4 seconds. Top speed is around 60, and RPM's 5400. I run my trim most of the way up after getting on plane good. My guage does not have seperate marks, but looks like a fuel guage and goes from down to up. I would say the best performance is found around 3/4 trimed up. However always come out of the hole with the engine all the way down. Don't know if this helps much?

 

[trumanlake]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

haven't checked the board for a few days. running 26 pitch. won't break any records coming out of the hole but after that....... no trim gauge, just go by sound - speed - and feel. like knowing when to shift a manual transmission. can throw a huge rooster tail but, but there's a point where your speed decreases.

 

[1986mariner150]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

Agreed on that rooster tail, anything higher than the engine cowl is slowing you down. If you are just looking for top end performance that 25 may be the prop for you if you can still run in the 5800 range. I run a 23 on a 150 on a 18.5 foot charger and get mid sixtys without trimming up to far, that boat has a built in jack plate, way set back transom, and the motor has been raised a couple of holes so with current prop I can't trim out very much without venting, but still can get enough to throw too much rooster tail. A couple of cautions on trimming way out. Do it a little at a time and let it stabilize then check your water pressure and temp gauge. If I go too far i can see it on my temp gauge. Probably on pressure gauge too, but mine is kinda hard to see and I don't like to look away from where I am going at those speeds.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

Originally posted by 1986mariner150:<br /> Agreed on that rooster tail, anything higher than the engine cowl is slowing you down.

I agree that you can definatly over do it on the trim, but it depends on the prop you are using, and how high your engine is on the transome. My 18' (Glass) Bass Tacker with a Merc 150 would over trim just a little at full trim, and I would have to bump down just a bit to hook up again. At that setting, I was at top speed of just a hair over 65 MPH with a 14.25, 27P Turbo. and I mean a rooster tail that was way over the cowling of my outboard. Now with the 13.75. 25P High Five, I can trimm full trim with just a slight bit of speed loss, 63 MPH, and the rooster tail is even higher. Trimming down does not increase the speed. I will post a picture one of these days. So whats true for one aplication is not necesarily true for another, I do have smart tabs though. Could be the difference.

 

[1986mariner150]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

My boats run like this; Jump on plane with it tucked in or most of the way down, almost immediately, then start trimming out, I can feel the moment I hit pad, its like the friction just goes away, I can see it on my speedo as well it jumps nearly 5 mph. It is at this point that I get maximum speed. I can continue to raise the bow, rpms, and rooster tail but not the speed. Maybe I mis-spoke in that i said higher rooster tail slows you down, more true statment would be that even though you can raise a higher rooster tail you are probably not raising your speed. I have yet to see a bass boat in my area with smart tabs, if they do in fact raise top speed by 6+ mph as in lubes case I would think John's future is bright, all these tournament anglers around here would pay dearly for 6 mph, heck we pay dearly to squeeze out 1 or 2. I aint putting 14 holes in my transom till I see it with my own eyes though. KC and lube, you two are trying to get speed from notoriously heavy boats, around here we call them lead sleds. If you want to go fast get a Bullet, or an Allison, or almost any other brand. I don't mean to bash your boats, Ranger is one of the finest boats on the water imnsho, they are just not known as fast hulls.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

I do not atribute the whole 6 Mph to the smart tabs, and do not think I ever said I did, that is an over asumption on your part. I gained the performance with :<br /><br />1. Synthetic oil top and bottom, about 2-300 RPMs.<br /><br />2. The addition of a fuel additive, 100 RPMs.<br /><br />3. The addition of Smart Tabs.<br /><br />4. A change in props.<br /><br />I am not looking for the fastest boat on the water, and neither is KClost, we just want our boats that we have and like to perform at there best.<br /><br />Ill tell you what though, I will put my boat up against and other Bass Tracker of the same year and style, I know I have at least 5MPH on him!<br /><br />I thought as you do, you just do not see trim tabs on Bass Boats,. 14 Holes or not, Im not taking them off even if the holes would disapear. They made an entirly different boat out of mine, and it handled what I though great untill I saw what they did for mine. Can you stay on plane at 15 MPH?? I think not, and in a 1/4 mile race, I think I would kick your A*s so bad you would wonder where I went.

 

[1986mariner150]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

So you got 3 or 4 hundred rpm from synthetics? I have to say that you are becoming less and less believable to me. I do notice how you lumped them all together so there really no way to tell where the speed actually came from. This is not the first board I have been on that had a lubedude willing to pitch his products anytime lubrication comes up which is pretty often, use the place for free advertising, which is ok by me, until the claims get to be so outlandish they are no longer believable which seems to be the case here. I would really love to see the video of the gps showing 65+ and the huge rooster tail. Post it and I will shut up and say I am sorry till then I think you are full of it. And I am willing to race you any time you want with either of my bass boats, we can video it too. The Miss Budwiser held the worlds record for water speed for several years right here on my home lake, (Lake Guntersville)The bassmaster guys were through here in Feb, throwing back 5 lb fish in mid 40 degree water, some of the local guys I fish with weigh bigger strings than that, so if you decide to use your boat for its intended purpose you can do well here. Oh and on the 15 mph plane, I have not tried it, I have a bass boat that i use to bass fish, 15 is too fast for no wakes, and too slow to get anywhere.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /> <br />1. Synthetic oil top and bottom, about 2-300 RPMs.<br /><br />2. The addition of a fuel additive, 100 RPMs.<br /><br />3. The addition of Smart Tabs.<br /><br />4. A change in props.<br /><br />I am not looking for the fastest boat on the water, and neither is KClost, we just want our boats that we have and like to perform at there best.<br /><br />Ill tell you what though, I will put my boat up against and other Bass Tracker of the same year and style, I know I have at least 5MPH on him!<br /><br />I thought as you do, you just do not see trim tabs on Bass Boats,. 14 Holes or not, Im not taking them off even if the holes would disapear. They made an entirly different boat out of mine, and it handled what I though great untill I saw what they did for mine. Can you stay on plane at 15 MPH?? I think not, and in a 1/4 mile race, I think I would kick your A*s so bad you would wonder where I went.

Im not too sure where you are coming from, as usual with people like you, you are not even reading the post as it is writen.<br /><br />First off, I broke it down way back when I was first testing all the products, and I do not wish to go into it again.<br /><br />Second, I said I would put my boat up against another boat like mine, I never said it was the fastest boat on the water.<br /><br />Third, I got 2-300 RPM, (which is what I said in the first place from the use of synthetics and 100 from a fuel additive.<br /><br />The smart tabs allowed me to use a higher pitch prop by lettig me get on plane easier and lifting the stern of my boat.<br /><br />I do not know what you are reading, but it is definatly not anything I said.<br /><br />Also where do you see anywhere in this post that I am pushing any product, I probably tell people to use Pennzoil more than anything, There isnt anything wrong with having a favorite product, and telling people what works.<br /><br />All I can say is, "Whats up with you going off on me"? Why is it that some people just like to cause waves??<br /><br />If you do not want to believe what I say, so be it, but I took a lot of time setting my boat up and posting the results, so back off!!<br /><br />And what does this have to do with anything. (below)<br /><br />The Miss Budwiser held the worlds record for water speed for several years right here on my home lake, (Lake Guntersville)The bassmaster guys were through here in Feb, throwing back 5 lb fish in mid 40 degree water, some of the local guys I fish with weigh bigger strings than that, so if you decide to use your boat for its intended purpose you can do well here.<br /><br />This post was going along just fine untill you got in here and messed it up. I think you are causing trouble just for the sake of it, go somewhere else and play!!

 

[KCLOST]

Re: Lubedude, Trumanlake, walleyhead, Anyone!!!!

Allright, let's all calm down a bit.....<br /><br />First off, I know I have a lead bucket on my hands... But my concern is that my boat, being 17' 10" long should have no problem getting up on pad with at 175hp Merc on the back... This is also in conjuction with what Mercury Tech's have to say.<br /><br />I am an extremely careful boater when it comes to finding out what this boat has to offer, maybe too careful, so I was wanting some advice..<br /><br />I have the chinewalking problem resolved (I think by raising the motor up a couple of notches). By the way, I do have a jack plate, but decided to raise the motor up on the plate because the plate was raised up some already. I'm just starting to get an indication of a rooter tail and at that point I'm still not up on pad. I think a 25P prop is my best bet and will do some more testing with it as soon as I can... I just think that the trim guage on my boat is not accurate in regards to how far I can safely trim it out (meaning the red marks, don't mean much with my set-up).<br /><br />And be sure, that I will let you know what happens... <br />I really think this boat has 70mph in it, due to the fact that I can reach 60-62mph without being on pad yet with no rooster tail, with what I consider minimal trim out...<br /><br />We will see.