Lund Rebel 1625

[BEPPEQ]

Hi Everyone,

I'm a new boat owner and decided to make a Lund my first boat thanks to this forum and the great advice.

Now that I got my new boat, I just had a couple questions and wondered if I could get some help. Please keep in mind I'm new to boating so they may be stupid questions:

1. When I'm cruising at high speeds, there seems to be water coming in from the side of my boat were the livewell pipe is. Is this normal or could the pipe be coming lose?

2. The other day I pulled my boat out of the water and I noticed water draining from under my boat. It wasn't from the main plug in the back side, but right under the boat. Is this also normal? I'm thinking that a rivit has popped out.

3. This kinda relates to number two, but when I pull the plug out of the boat after taking it out of the water I notice a lot of water comes out. I figure this could be related to both 1 and 2 but was wondering if getting a lot of water in the hull is a normal thing?

I'd really appreciate any advice. I'm loving boating and knew getting into it that it would be a bit of a learning experience along the way!

TIA

BEPPEQ

 

[Navy Jr.]

Re: Lund Rebel 1625

I'll try taking a few guesses at your questions ("guesses" because I'm a newbie, too; also proud owner of new Lund boat):

1. I'm not familiar with the Rebel model, and it isn't in my 2008 Lund catalog, but I'm guessing the livewell is aft. The pipe on the side might actually be the overflow tube. When the livewell pump is on, the excess water has to go somewhere. If the livewell is not in use, and you have the bow up and making turns, I imagine it's possible for water to come into the livewell from the outside.

2. Our Lund Fisherman has two livewells, and the one forward drains directly under the boat when I pull the plug from the livewell tank. You can prove this in your driveway.

3. Not being familiar with the Rebel model, I'm guessing that there might be water splashing in over the transom into the bilge. This can happen when you suddenly slow down and get backwash over the transom, or maybe get water over the stern on a particularly windy day. Might be worth running the bilge pump if the Rebel comes with one. If you're curious, we've never had a drop of water in our bilge yet, but then the Fisherman model has a 25" high transom. I'm guessing the Rebel's transom height is a bit lower.

Hope this helps.

Ken

 

[Steve in Indiana]

Re: Lund Rebel 1625

I hate to reply when I'm not 100% sure I know the answer, but here goes anyway:

unless you're boating in 4' seas, you really shouldn't be getting any appreciable water in the boat. The amount you descibe suggests something is leaking or you have loose hose connections in the livewell plumbing. A return trip to your dealer may be in order.

First, question #2...This water might be (probably is) coming out of the keel extrusion that is riveted to the bottom of the center of the hull. Not a problem as this piece is entirely located outside the boat hull. I doubt Lund makes any attempt to seal the keel and keelsons to the hull since it would be a wasted effort.

Now, to 1 and 3....

If the Rebel 1625 (not familiar with this model) has the side mounted livewell like the Classic and prior Rebels do your livewell will have two fittings. One is the freshwater fill that is connected via a hose to the transom mounted pump and is equipped with an aeration head. The other will be in the bottom of the livewell and a standpipe should be inserted to establish the "full" water level of the livewell. If you do not insert the standpipe, water will enter/leave the well since it will try to maintain an indentical level with the waterline outside the boat. If you leave the pipe out, you WILL see water draining from its transom fitting when you load the boat on the trailer until the well drains.

In all cases, the length of hose connecting the well drain to the back of the boat will also drain when the boat comes out of the water, but this happens pretty quickly and unless you're watching the boat come out of the water as it is pulled from the lake you're unlikely to witness this harmless draining event.

If the livewell is mounted in the bow deck, the situtation may be different. In that case, lund generally has a fill/aeration fitting as already mentioned, but replaces the standpipe with a short length of hose directly thru the freeboard of the boat connected to an overflow fitting inside the livewell near the top. A drain fitting in the bottom of the well (with a removeable plug) serves as the drain when you want to dump the water. IF you have this well arrangement AND you are seeing water ENTER the overflow then your bow is not riding high enough in the water at whatever speed you're talking about and I think represents an unsafe condition.

I guess the short of this is:

If water is ENTERING the livewell thru any place other than the fill fitting (aerator head) with the switch "on", you have a problem (assuming you have either installed the standpipe or drain plug as applicable). Loose fittings or hoses will likely lead to water in the bilge instead of the wells. I suppose you can take water in thru a freeboard mounted overflow in a heavily loaded boat while coming up on plane (or if you are grossly underpowered you will never get the bow out of the water). Really, this should NOT happen under 90% of circumstances.

When you trailer the boat you really ought not to see ANY water come from the bilge when you remove the drain plug unless you're fishing in the rain, doing a lot of backtrolling, or are having water come over the sides due to high waves or wind. If you're finding water in the bilge you need to have it investigated soon since the leakage rate might exceed the bilge pump's capacity to pump it out and that will definately spoil your day and presents an unsafe condition.

geez, I hope this helps. Hopefully others will chime in but I think you might want to consult - soon- with your dealer and have them take the boat for a ride.

best of luck!
Steve

 

[BEPPEQ]

Re: Lund Rebel 1625

Thanks for the info guys, I really appreciate it.

After poking my head around, Ken is right about the livewell draining inside the hull of the boat. Kinda backwards thinking if you ask me, wouldn't you want the water out of your boat? Either way, one issue solved.

Your description to number 2 is spot on Steve. I just took a look at the boat and you are right, the hole is on the keel.

As for the water coming in from the side, thats gonna need some further investigation. I guess I'll have to take a panel off my floor and see what is going on.

Again, I really appreciate all your efforts. I'm finding that I am loving boating and all the issues that come with it. It's very interesting and am already looking at a bigger boat in the near future! lol

Thanks again

Beppe Q

 

[Steve in Indiana]

Re: Lund Rebel 1625

Thanks for the info guys, I really appreciate it.

After poking my head around, Ken is right about the livewell draining inside the hull of the boat. Kinda backwards thinking if you ask me, wouldn't you want the water out of your boat? Either way, one issue solved."

Seriously? WTF!

I am a h-u-g-e Lund fan, but I can't believe they would make a livewell drain INTO the hull of the boat. Sure, you can pump it out of the bilge, but what about the fish slime and other gunk that will remain?

Silly way to cheap out on $10 worth of hose and $5 for a thru hull fitting.

Might just have to write a letter...

Best of luck!

Steve

 

[K.P.]

Re: Lund Rebel 1625

Bepp,

Don't mess around with your boat. You bought it new and it has some serious problems. Contact your dealer to resolve these issues!

Your livewell is not designed to drain inside the boat. The drain should be located either on the bottom of the transome next to the livewell pump intake and bilge plug, or it's located on the side of the boat. I don't know for sure with that model but it is very similar in design to my 2003 Lund 1650 Explorer.

It's very possible the livewell intake and/or drain hose is the source of the water getting into your bilge because of a loose or broken through hull fitting, a bad hose connection, or a punctured hose. That is more likely than a rivet or hull leak.

Again, don't mess with this yourself. Have your dealer resolve it.

 

[Navy Jr.]

Re: Lund Rebel 1625

To clarify, the forward live well does not drain into the boat.

It drains through a hose that exits under the center of the boat, about 6 inches starboard of the keel about as forward as the overflow on the starboard side above the water line. You can see it when you pull the rig out of the water.

 

[BEPPEQ]

Re: Lund Rebel 1625

Ok Guys,

I'm embarrassed to say it but I need to let you all know. lol

So, were do I start.

Water from steering column: Turns out that my speedometer tube was nicked and was spitting out water, thus all the water in the boat.

Water In Keel: Yep, you're right. Water was coming from the keel. Now I know that it's not a problem and what a keel is!

Livewell: Water does in fact drain from the livewell out of the boat via a drain in the back of the boat.

So, all in all a learning experience. As a new boat owner I'm finding I'm learning about all sorts of things!

Thanks for all your help and don't worry, I don't plan on sinking anytime soon!

Now off to install my radio!!!

BeppeQ