Marina Scam?

redeye1962

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We have recently purchased a 26ft sea ray and needed to get bottom paint for it. The Marina we have decided on (only one on the lake) has a policy that any work on the boat will be performed by them. we are not allowed to do anything on the boats. Well I called them today to get an estimate on the bottom paint and they gave me a winter "special" and did not charge me towing. They asked about the lower unit and I said go ahead and change the oil because I am not sure when it was last changed. They called me back and said there was a lot of water that came out of the lower unit and it would need to be pulled to check where the leak is from. They also mentioned the Gimble bearing may be going out.
I called the surveyor who drove the boat and he said the boat ran fine when he checked it and the marina may be hurting for work. he said it a lot nicer.
I do not trust mechanics and trust marine mechanics less. Any ideas?
 

arks

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Re: Marina Scam?

RUN FORREST RUN!
Yeah, sounds like they're trying hard to spend your money.
If you have a trailer take your boat elsewhere!
I would N E V E R use a marina that doesn't allow the owner or a subcontractor to do work on their boat.
 

Jeep Man

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Re: Marina Scam?

Let me get this straight.
You OWN the boat.
You do not RENT the boat
The marina does not own the lake
You can't have anyone else work on YOUR boat.

No....This can't be a scam...........right
 

26aftcab454

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redeye- I took a photo of your texas maid once at scotts marina

I have a 26ft wellcraft , keep it at scott's landing and and empty EZ load roller trailer if you want to borrow it & take your sea ray for a 2nd opinion- taylors marine at scotts is a good-honest shop. let me know-Joe
 

redeye1962

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redeye- I took a photo of your texas maid once at scotts marina

I have a 26ft wellcraft , keep it at scott's landing and and empty EZ load roller trailer if you want to borrow it & take your sea ray for a 2nd opinion- taylors marine at scotts is a good-honest shop. let me know-Joe

Thanks Joe, I will let you know. I do not think anything is wrong with it, I really feel these guys are hustling me. I am going to have them put the lower unit back on with oil and then paint the bottom and we will leave it as that.
I hope there is another marina that will pop up soon there needs to be some competition.
 

Bucks45

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redeye- I took a photo of your texas maid once at scotts marina

I have a 26ft wellcraft , keep it at scott's landing and and empty EZ load roller trailer if you want to borrow it & take your sea ray for a 2nd opinion- taylors marine at scotts is a good-honest shop. let me know-Joe

You've got a really nice offer right here. I would take it. There's no way I would allow a marina to tell me what to do with MY property!
 

bruceb58

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I called the surveyor who drove the boat and he said the boat ran fine when he checked it and the marina may be hurting for work. he said it a lot nicer.
Your surveyor only drove the boat. Since he didn't pull the drive or drain the drive oil his opinion pretty much means nothing. Have the shop let you see what the gimble bearing feels like. More than likely you also have water in your bellows.

Sorry but I don't necessarily think they are making this diagnosis just because business is low. Your surveyor sounds like he has his own axe to grind.
 

5150abf

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Concur, those 2 problems are pretty common and they may just be telling you there is actually a problem.

Now the part about noone else can work on the boat makes me a little suspicious but that still doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

Have them show you the bearing and why they think it is going out and then just change the oil but check it early in the season for water.

If either of those items actually fail it will cost you many many times what the repair now will be.
 

Bondo

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Your surveyor only drove the boat. Since he didn't pull the drive or drain the drive oil his opinion pretty much means nothing. Have the shop let you see what the gimble bearing feels like. More than likely you also have water in your bellows.

Ayuh,... Did your surveyor actually Do his job,+ take oil samples, or just drive the boat..??
 

salty87

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You can't have anyone else work on YOUR boat.

No....This can't be a scam...........right

it's a fairly common clause marina's will put in their contract. some will let you bring in your own mechanic but still charge a fee. read what you sign.

the OP will soon find the reason so many of us do our own maintenance....can't (or don't want) to trust anyone else. boating is an expensive endeavor if you have a mechanic on the payroll.
 

themaniam1

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Before you have them put it all together, why not run down to the marina and have them show you why they think the gimble bearing needs replacing. It just might be on the front end of going out. Check their pricing with other shops like the one 26aftcab mentioned. If you are not comfortable with where your boat is, then claim poverty, pay for what they have done and take 26aftcab's offer or what ever.
 

backwater dawg

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The things they found are pretty common maint issues--you should be able to go and look at the milky oil and see if it does have water in it--I would have drained a little out in the fall anyways to look for water--pretty simple-open the bottom plug, drain a little out--oil floats, so water is on the bottom and drains out first--it very well could--also--it's very easy to feel a gimble bearing grind---or does it just need grease????? Thats why I try to do most of that type of work myself--at least drain oil--inspect ujoints-ect-----then shop around after you've figured out if there is a problem-----good luck Steve
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: Marina Scam?

This is a big "just stop and think about it" moment:

I agree with Bruce--the surveyor is just as likely trying to cover his butt for something he didn't check. Not necessarily, but consider the possibility before you call someone who might be looking out for you a cheat.*

If you own a marina and repair business, why not restrict outside vendors? Do you take your own food to a restaurant and use their kitchen? That marina pays a lot in taxes to own the waterfront real estate where your mechanic is coming to make money, with his lower overhead on his inland shop. They should, however, approve vendors who do work that they don't, such as a canvas company.

There is also a problem with some people working on their boats in the marina--just like some apartment complexes have similar rules in the parking lot. You are going to paint a 26' boat--are you putting it on blocks on their land? For how long? Would you be nervous if your boat was sitting next to a guy putting his on home-made blocks--teetering in your direction? Are you ready for his overspray? Oil spills? Dismantled boat sitting there for weeks while he waits for parts, money for parts, money for a real mechanic to fix the stuff he messed up, time to get back to the project? You may not realize that you benefit from the rule.

Surely the rule doesn't mean you can't do "any work." Surely you can do your wiring, install a bimini, change your filters, varnish your teak, etc. But I am familiar with yards where you can work on your own, and they have to be careful with each other and that everyone knows what he is doing: if you have painted or varnished a wooden boat you can't have a yahoo tearing through the gravel parking lot throwing up dust.

Also when marinas charge more than inland facilities, whether it's for winterizing or ice and bloodworms, note that you are paying for convenience. For me, since I work, every hour has a price. So I'd compare the "upcharge" on bottom painting to the time to go get the trailer from wherever, pull the boat up and secure it, drive to inland facility, drive home; drive back to pick up boat, launch boat, return trailer. 6 hours of my Saturday? I'll do better working Tuesday and having the boat ready to go. I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but there is a cost factor, if only opportunity cost, for any time spent (time spent towing v. playing with grandchildren--price it out).

I also don't mind keeping the marina in business and its employees paid, so it will be there when I need it--if the marina doesn't make it, it will sell out for condo's and you will be trailer bound. You'll say "boo hoo they sold out." Where were you?

*OTOH there's a garage here who always always said I needed either new tires or brake work every time I took one of my 3 cars there for anything. No more. So yes there are scammers and those who take advantage, and you have to be careful.
 

ezmobee

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^^^^Good post. In my head I was also making the apartment complex parking lot analogy.
 

marine4003

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Most likely,the reason for not allowing people on there yard is insurance,it costs alot more to allow subs and owners to have free run of the yard.
 

81 beachcomber

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not so much running around free in there yard.. you already pay for the marina and most will put your boat on blocks for you and you rent the land spot for the time you will be working on it. just because they have a shop with workers dosent mean they should have the monopoly for any repairs.
 

dockwrecker

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Or is your marina operator a licensed concessionaire to the US Forest service? Such is the case at Lake Powell where the lease agreement gives Aramark total control of all revenue activities because the USFS takes a cut of everything as part of their fee. They certaily wouldn't allow another vendor to make money for free on their lease.
 

bruceb58

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I can think of other issues and those are environmental. Could be that the marina gets fined for oil/gas discharges into the lake. All it would take is some lame mechanic who changes the oil and leaveas an oily bilge and then a bilge pump pumps the oily mess overboard and the marina gets fined.

That might be a lame example but it could be any reason similar.
 

backwater dawg

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Ok----I am NOT defending the idea that a Marina won't allow any outside venders---that rubs me a little raw also---but here's a story that happened in Kings Cove--upper Mississippi river near Hastings Mn a couple of years ago

One Sunday after all the boats were pulled out, blocked and most were covered or shrinkwraped---some guy ( I think being cheap ), tried to shrinkwrap his own boat that was parked right in the middle of somewhere between 40-50 boats--all between 25 and 50 ft--he had the boat wraped and then got the torch out to melt the plastic---set it down to go get or do something (still burning ), and proceded to burn ALL the boats in the storage lot---now i'm not a fan of that marina, but after that, I can see some restrictions----true story----we saw the smoke --drove my boat over and drank beer watching the fire depts try to put it out--after a while they gave up and just tried to contain it from spreading----BAD DEAL
 

dingbat

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Most marinas around here will not allow you to work on your boat in the yard and certainly will not allow you to haul fuel if they have pumps on-site. There are both liability and environmental concerns for allowing otherwise.

I certainly don't have a problem with it. It?s nothing different than living in a covenanted neighborhood. You signed on to the terms as part of the your rental agreement. If you don' like the restriction then you should have taken the boat elsewhere to begin with.
 
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