Marine vs Automotive oil filters.....

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Manipulator

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Is there a difference between the two? I just took my old one (OMC) to Walmart and matched it to a Fram. My boat looks like it has an aftermarket relocation kit. Anyway, is it a bad idea to use an auto filter opposed to a marine one?
 

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Re: Marine vs Automotive oil filters.....

I use Napa's filters on Everything........<br /><br />There'll be others who disagree........<br /><br />There's been an In-depth Study by 1 of the Guys,.. <br /><br />Maybe somebodies got the link.....
 

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I use Wix filters on all the engines I service, I think you should alway check the filter book. I know years ago a couple of major manufactures used rag (cloth) as a fiter element and they would make lifters noise, but haven't heard of that lately---Bob
 

crazy charlie

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Manip.,Fram is one of the lowest quality filters on the market.I would recommend against them.There are too many other good choices you can make.Charlie
 

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Yeah I too saw that oil filter review. AC Delco is the clear winner on that one for price/performance. Fram was crap. THe high end WIX filteR (like $15/filter) was the best, but for your regular $3 filter, AC Delco won out. I'll try and find the link.
 

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I use Wix or Cooper filters, haven't had any problems.<br /><br />Chris.......
 

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All good filters,without doubt.But why not just use the factory original ?They use it,it's under $10.00,and how many do you put on your boat each year ?<br /><br />I've never heard of a failure using stock filters.<br /><br />DHP
 

Walkersteelhead

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Re: Marine vs Automotive oil filters.....

I have used Hastings for years,in the automotive area. Just my .02.
 

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I used to sell filters for a living and would cut them up in front of customers to compare. I always hoped they were using Fram, becasue they were as others have said, crap. My argument to them was simple. Use OEM as they are the only ones that really care. If it is cheaper to manufacture and you can get away with it you do, but the OEM has a vested interest . . .<br /><br />One thing I always do since then is check the threads. There is often filings and junk from the thread cutting process. Remember that is the "clean" side.
 

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Beleive it or not, the other consistent loser was Hastings.
 

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Mine gets a fresh Motorcraft FL1-A every year and it seems to work very well.
 

magregor22

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Wow,never knew that about fram,guess i'll throw mine in the garbage
 

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Hey Bondo ....Do you need the part #'s before going or can NAPA cross reference for you? I hear that Napa carries Sierra parts normally is this true.
 

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Naw,..... They've got parts Books at My NAPA.......<br />And,... Most of the Boys down there actually Can,..... Read...............<br /><br />When you go in,.. Ask for a copy of the NAPA, Marine Products Catalog.... Mine is Part# MSP-7.....<br />All your Serria parts are listed in it......
 

cobra 3.0

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Fram garbage? Don't they make them for everybody else? Fram has three different qualities of filters. Not sure if anyone of them is "crap". I'd like to see proof of these claims.
 

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Actually, here's something I found with google. I shows internal components of different brand filters....for motorcycles. Obviously very high performance use on high reving engines.<br /><br /> http://www.twocreeks.net/toby/oil_filters/acdelco.shtml <br /><br /><br />I will be opening up my used fram filters to check them out. Apparently fram uses cardboard end caps. Mind you this test was done in 1999. I will be opening up my used filters to see if they are made the same.<br /><br />Halibut junkie don't throw it out! Crack it open and see if it's the same as in the test done!
 

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Man...my knees are getting sore from climbing on and off my soapbox! Back on for those who care...<br /><br />As a former auto mechanic and hobby racer, I guess here's my question (which has NEVER been answered any ANY forum I've visited) on all of this filter dissassembly/construction diff comparison...Does it really matter? <br /><br />These low-budget "studies" all seem to be subjective in the fact that they're making the assumption that pore size, surface area of filter media, filter material etc. actually make a difference in final engine wear, but none have actually proven this fact. So a few small chunks of iron get by the filter and are left in suspension by the oil...does that chunk actually do any damage before it settles somewhere? Nobody in any of my gearhead circles I know of has EVER seen an engine with a lubrication failure that could be attributed to a particular brand of oil filter.<br /><br />Here's the study I'd like to see done...10 identical brand new marine (or auto) engines, weighed to the nearest 100th of a gram, compression tested, bores measured, and bearing clearance measured immediately after break-in. Pick a benchmark time/distance run, maybe 5,000 hours (or 200,000 miles) while following the recommended oil/filter change schedule, along with plenty of cold starts, hot/cold cycles, high loads, long idle times, WOT runs, etc, etc. Naturally each engine would have to go through the exact same sequence and use the exact same oil.<br /><br />Now disassemble the motors, take all the same internal measurements, and weigh the engines to the 100th of a gram again to determine exactly how much metal was lost due to wear. NOW we have an actual answer instead of yet another guess from someone who thinks cardboard is a bad material to put in an oil filter (why is cardboard a problem? Because it looks cheap? Maybe it has its merits...show me the answer in terms of engine wear and then we can answer the question.) <br /><br />An expensive one-time test? Yes. But if a particular oil filter manufacturer were to do such a thing AND successfully prove their superiority, can you imagine the advertising gains they could glean from the expense? Yet I've never seen such a study done...Why? I don't think (totally my subjective opinion) that any filter manufacturer believes it would conclusively prove it'd make a difference in their favor.<br /><br />I recall Consumer Reports doing such a test maybe 10+ years ago when comparing engine oils...they picked a NY taxi-cab company and did almost EXACTLY what I mention with around 10 taxi cab engines each with a different brand of oil, including some synthetics. I don't remember all the specifics, but after maybe 100K to 150K miles of taxi-cab running they disassembled each engine and re-weighed certain key wear parts and found NO statistically significant difference between ANY different oil brands or types and came to the conclusion that even the cheapest department store brand oil performed as well as an expensive synthetic in a real-world abused vehicle test.<br /><br />I honestly think these differences in oil filters mean absolutely nothing to real-world wear, but don't have the finances or desire to prove it, so I'm sure the battle will go on....<br /><br />Off soapbox. Peace!
 
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