Merc 454 won't throttle up when hot

jxh

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My Mercruiser 454 Magnum (Alpha One, '87 Formula 242-SS) runs OK from a cold condition, but after a long run when brought back to idle, it won't go up above about 1200 rpm until it cools off -- or something. Throttling up, it feels like half the cylinders aren't firing (like 180 degrees of the distributor suddenly isn't working, not bang-miss-bang-miss), causing major vibration, and no throttle position will get it above this speed. Sometimes I can push through it to 1500rpm and up and it will go and be OK. But often I just have to idle and wait 5 or 10 minutes before I can get moving again.

At first I thought it was weeds, but backing up (which usually clears them: this is in Lake Michigan) didn't fix this, while waiting did. It also feels like it lost a prop blade, or more precisely half of the prop blades, which is a neat trick with a 3-bladed prop. They're all there, in fair condition.

Any ideas I should tell my mechanic? Unlike some of the real gear-heads I read in here, I just work on the boat by writing checks. But it's hard when he can't see the problem in his yard and I don't want to pay him by the hour to go out long enough to make it happen.
 

Mischief Managed

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Re: Merc 454 won't throttle up when hot

Sounds like a heat related ignition problem to me. I'd start with the testing the coil cold and then agin after it's been warmed up in your oven. Next, new wires, cap and rotor if they have not been replaced in awhile. Also, have a close look at the main electrical connector for the engine. They can cause weird problems if loose.
 

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Re: Merc 454 won't throttle up when hot


Welcome to iboats.....:)
What is the choke doing when this happens?.......:confused:
 

jxh

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Re: Merc 454 won't throttle up when hot

Sounds like a heat related ignition problem to me.

Even though heat doesn't seem to cause a problem when it's already running at, say, 3400rpm when it gets up to temp? I suppose it might be possible, but I just wanted to clarify.
 

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Re: Merc 454 won't throttle up when hot

What is the choke doing when this happens?​

I'd have to look under the flame arrestor to find out, right? Haven't done that, yet. It might be the next experiment, though. What am I looking for, exactly? To see if the plate in the carb is oscillating with the vibration?

I may indeed have to take my mechanic out for a cruise and let him look at it. I think I can reproduce it now pretty reliably.
 

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Re: Merc 454 won't throttle up when hot

I should clarify this: It'll run for hours at cruise or WOT with nary a hiccup, provided you don't stop. But if you stop and try to go again, it gets the shakes and tops out at 1200rpm. Ten minutes of idling, and then it will go fast.
 

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Re: Merc 454 won't throttle up when hot


It sounds to me like flooding.....;).
The choke should be wide open.....
Sticky floats in the carb?......
What kind of carb are we talking about?......:confused:
 

jxh

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Re: Merc 454 won't throttle up when hot

What kind of carb are we talking about?​

Not sure. Original to the boat, I'm pretty sure. Again, Thunderbird Formula 242-SS, 1987, Merc 454 Magnum @ 330bhp, Alpha One drive. It has a big round flame arrestor, but don't they all? I suppose it's a 4bbl, but I haven't looked, and I can't go look just now. (It's in WI, I live in MN, and I'm on the road somewhere else this week.) I can get the engine number, with some delay, if it's needed.

This was the year they figured out this engine was too big for the Alpha One drive, and started beefing up the gears in later years, I am told. I've replaced the lower unit, once, I try not to stress it too much, and have not let my technical friends "dial it in". The last thing this drive needs is more horsepower on its input.
 

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Re: Merc 454 won't throttle up when hot

How is your fuel line run? Is it close to the engine? It sounds close to a condition called vapor lock. Do you have a kicker motor or some time for the motor to cool down? If so take it out and get it hot to the point that it starts to act up. Turn the motor off and see if it restarts. It sounds like it won't. Try rerunning your fuel line so that it is away from the hot motor and see if this helps. Of course when you open the fuel system have something ready to catch any fuel and do not have any sparks or open flames around. Remeber safety always comes first. If this doesn't help check the ignition coil the way already mentioned. It is pretty rare that a coil goes bad like that, but it does happen. If you don't want to try testing it like that replace it. Keep us posted and good luck.
 
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