mercruiser 120 I/O - engine just came to a stop

dhauser

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pre-alpha on a 16 footer...<br /><br />We just had the boat serviced before heading up north for a week - new (merc) gear lube, etc.<br /><br />Boat started and ran great - got it up to about 30 mph at times, no issues. <br /><br />On day 5, we were getting up to about 15 mph, and suddenly it was as if someone pulled back on the throttle - and engine died. I checked the temperature at this point and it was at 140. There were no strange noises or smoke, but just a slight burning smell from the engine compartment that went away in quick order. Although it turned over fine, wouldn't restart - as if flooded.<br /><br />After we got towed back in, I let it sit overnight, then I pulled it out of the water and checked various things out. My first thought was a failed water pump, but the temp at around 140 wouldn't indicate this. Next was lower unit (although I'm not sure if a failure here would cause the engine to die?) so checked the lube level by removing the top plug. It was full. Removed the lower plug and let a little out, no signs of metal shavings, but not sure of the color (see below). As I said, this was just changed the previous week.<br /><br />Checked the engine oil, completely full and normal, and nothing abnormal in the bilge.<br /><br />I started looking at the throttle, and when inspecting it, the top butterfly valve (under the round filter/cover) suddenly popped shut - as if it had been stuck open (?). I called a local shop and described all of this, he said to spray some carb cleaner, clean everything up, and stick it back in the water and see if it will start.<br /><br />So, back in the water, engine started right up. Water pumping out the of prop as expected. Shifted into gear forward/reverse with no problems. Ran it for a short distance, but decided not to go any further since I still didn't know what was up.<br /><br />one other thing:<br /><br />When I got back home and compared the gear lube to that from a bottle the shop gave me, it was the same blue color (this is the mercury product btw) but not as clear. I do know that the lube that was in there previously was grey in color, and I don't know if some mixture might have taken place, or if there is water getting in there. The shop didn't mention an issue previously, but I don't know how the lube should compare to that of the bottle after being run...??<br /><br />So, is it possible this was the result of a stuck butterfly valve? Or might the gear lube be an indication of a problem that might have caused this? Anything else I should check? <br /><br />THANK YOU for any thoughts on this...
 

rbezdon

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Re: mercruiser 120 I/O - engine just came to a stop

The top butterfly valve is the choke plate. It is supposed to be open when the engine is warm and as it cools down there is a temperature sensitive spring that will close it again when the engine is cool. This is the reason that you should pump the throttle once or twice before cranking, to let the choke colse and to pump a shot of fuel into the carb for starting. This seems normal to me. Run the engine for a while and once it is up to temp you should see that butterfly open again.
 

dhauser

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Re: mercruiser 120 I/O - engine just came to a stop

THANKS for the reply... <br /><br />So, by the next morning when I went to check it, it should have already been shut? It seemed to suddenly snap shut as I was checking (touching) the throttle arm. I wish I would have seen what triggered that, but I didn't. <br /><br />Plus, I don't see any spring on it - if I open it manually when engine is cold, should it then spring shut? It doesn't - it just stays where I put it...?
 

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Re: mercruiser 120 I/O - engine just came to a stop

As a rule even when cold the choke will stay open until the throttle is opened. That's why it sudenly closed when you moved the throttle arm.
 

dhauser

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Re: mercruiser 120 I/O - engine just came to a stop

Well it was the cheapest longshot I could come up with ;-)<br /><br />So, something caused the boat to shut down - the gear lube is still a question. If water is getting in there, could that have caused this problem? If the lube isn't as clear as what's in the bottle, is that the indication of water in there - or is the oil altered in appearance after being run?<br /><br />Maybe I can post a picture of what it looks like...<br /><br />Thanks
 

thunderroad

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Re: mercruiser 120 I/O - engine just came to a stop

The gear lube didn't cause the boat to die. I guess if the drive siezed up it could kill the motor, but you said you ran it once since then. The gear lube would be a milky white if much water is getting in there. If it only clouded up, I doubt this is a problem. Unless you got it drained a lot better than I'm able to get mine to drain, there is still some residue of the old gear lube in there when you refill it. It wouldn't take much to cloud up the new oil.<br />I'd go back to the choke area...
 

dhauser

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Re: mercruiser 120 I/O - engine just came to a stop

Tx - I just put up another post regarding washers on the vent/drain plugs - which do not exist on mine! <br /><br />This has me really wondering if water is getting in there from this. Maybe the lube has more water in it than I think - maybe my "cloudy" is what others refer to as "milky white"? I have nothing to compare it to - wish there was a pic somewhere that showed this. <br /><br />I called the marina that changed it for me and the merc tech is going to call me back - but they said if the level has stayed the same and the oil is still of the same consistency of what went in, even if taking on a little water it wouldn't be enough in a week to cause the problem I experienced... ?
 

xltier

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Re: mercruiser 120 I/O - engine just came to a stop

just a thought,but if your choke plate is not spring loaded closed when cold,then it is disconnected.as marc said,you have to open the throttle a tad to let the choke close.now,if your choke isnt connected then its likely that the plate closed while running and stalled the engine causeing a flooding situation.that plate has to be retained in position somehow.hth
 

dhauser

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Re: mercruiser 120 I/O - engine just came to a stop

Ok, thanks - I'll take a closer look there in the morning - it would be nice if that ends up being the problem - nothing is worse than having an issue without a cause, takes a little fun out of the boating experience...
 
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