Mercruiser 170 Chaos and Confusion

mutiny

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I have a customer of mine who claims that last year a mechanic did a complete engine overhaul on his I-4 170 Mercruiser. It took all spring, summer, and fall for the engine rebuild and he missed the entire season of boating and fishing. He brought the boat to me this week with the complaint of it beginning to backfire at midrange and full throttle. I did the basics and came up with a few observations I would love a hand with since I have never personally experienced this particular situation.

This is a closed cooled engine
Compression check 170ish across the board
Fuel Sample clean and clear
Good crisp spark on all
Timing set to manufacturer guidelines
New spark plugs and tune up kit earlier this year installed by the customer.
The oil is dirty but no water discoloration.

So here is the issue. I removed the spark arrestor and found a ton of milky oily residue in the breather line. I decided to investigate further and remove the valve cover to expose the valve train. On the inside of the valve cover I found it caked with the brown milky oil. Upon inspection I found that each of the intake valves were oozing with the brown milky matter and there was a small drop or two of antifreeze in the valve train. The drops of antifreeze may have been from my dissassembly process and can not be a determining factor in the diagnosis.. None of the exhaust valves show signs of anything out of the normal. I have yet to remove the head and inspect the head gasket until I asked the pro's here for some advice.

With a good compression test, can there still be a head gasket issue or a valve issue? What should be my next step in the diagnosis process? I dont want to tear the engine down any further if it isn't necessary. SO if anyone has experienced this and knows a good area to start I would appreciate the help.

My question would be, why is there only the oily residue around the intake valves? And if it is a valve spring/valve failure, how common is it to only fail on the intake side? Just seems a little too suspicious to me. Any takers?
 

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Ayuh,..... 170 lbs is new motor compression,.....

My guess is the back-firin' is a lean condition, 'n yer tearin' the motor apart, chasing condensation cream,...
 

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Ayuh,..... 170 lbs is new motor compression,.....

My guess is the back-firin' is a lean condition, 'n yer tearin' the motor apart, chasing condensation cream,...
Thanks Bondo,
I originally thought that too and tried working it out with the enrichner screw on the carb. Couldn't get it to work out of the system. I didn't go into the carb to check the float setting yet. I will post pics of the condensation on the valve covers. It is quite aggressive.
 
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Did you check the advance springs and weights under the points plate in the distributor?

Timing is good at idle, but has it been checked at higher RPM's? There is a chart in the manual that shows what the timing should be at through out the curve.
 
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mutiny

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Did you check the advance springs and weights under the points plate in the distributor?

Timing is good at idle, but has it been checked at higher RPM's? There is a chart in the manual that shows what the timing should be at through out the curve.


I have not yet done this test. I was too hung up on how much condensation was in the valve cover and intake ports. Its caked pretty good and this isn't the first engine I've ever taken apart. I'm not master mechanic by far but this is definatley the worst one I've ever had. Especially after a fresh rebuild.
 
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Doesn't make sense to have that much caked material in there crazy.... can you or did you take any pics of it you can post up here?
 

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Ayuh,.... A poor runnin' motor can't build any heat, 'cause it can't do any work,....

Feed it some fuel, 'n run it, it'll steam off that sludge in no time,....
 

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Ayuh,.... A poor runnin' motor can't build any heat, 'cause it can't do any work,....

Feed it some fuel, 'n run it, it'll steam off that sludge in no time,....


I tried getting in touch with my customer to ask if he ever got his engine up to speed. He said that he ran it about mid-range and did not want to push the issue since the backfiring is at all aspects of throttle. I couldn't figure out how to post pics on this site so I made a photobucket account and posted them there. here are some of the pictures. Notice on the intake port how thick the creme is. About an eighth thick on the rim. Even more in the valve cover. Pictures don't do it justice as I let the parts sit in the sun before taking the pictures. It seems to have warmed up and gotten less noticable.

http://s304.photobucket.com/user/MutinyMarine/library/
 

mutiny

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Can you have good compression and still have a head issue? maybe a valve that only seats every so often, or a spring that is on its way out. Or does all head problems end with a poor compression check?
 
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