Mercruiser 470 Wiring Problem

Dadicus

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I have a 1978 Mercruiser 470. Like many of the 470s, this one had charging system problems and a couple of weeks ago it died on the lake. To make a long story short, the regulator was blown. I performed a ground continuity test on the positive terminals of the regulator and discovered that at least one of the diodes was bad. (The regulator also heated up while I was recharging the battery.) After checking the prices on replacements I did what any reasonable person would do and ordered a bracket and single wire alternator to replace the old system. The mechanics of the replacement were fairly simple, but the wiring has proven to be a nightmare. After disconnecting the battery, here's what I did.

1--I removed the old yellow stator wires from the regulator, insulated and secured them.
2--I removed the other two wires from the regulator, one red/white and one solid red jumper. The old regulator is still there, but it has no wires attached to it. The jumper was only 6-8 inches long and connected to the battery side of the solenoid. I completely removed the jumper from the system.
3--Using a meter, I did a continuity check and determined that the red/white wire from the old regulator (10 or 12 gauge) was connected to the positive side of my ammeter. A solid red wire (also 10-12 gauge) runs from the other side of the ammeter through the main circuit breaker, and back to the battery side of the solenoid.
4--I attached the positive cable of the new single wire alternator to the red/white wire and grounded the new alternator to the engine. This is the set up described in the directions that came with the new kit. This is also the set up diagrammed in my manual for a single wire alternator.
5--I did a continuity check and confirmed that the alternator was not grounded, nor was the battery side of the solenoid. The alternator does have continuity back to the positive battery cable.
6--I reattached the battery cables and turned the key to the "On" (not start) position. Nothing happed. I turned the key off and flipped the horn switch just to see what would happen, and the instruments went haywire. By that I mean that they seemed to read backwards. When I let go of the horn everything returned to dead.
7--I rechecked all of my attachments, unhooked the new alternator (positive cable and ground), and checked everything again. Same result.
8--I bumped the starter just to see what would happen. I let it turn over for less than a second.
9--Disassembled and reassembled everything.
10--Found that somewhere in the process I had burned out the fused assembly on the battery side of the solenoid, probably when I bumped the starter.

I'll get a new fuse assembly on Wednesday, but I don't think that will solve the problem and I hate to reconnect it until I have some idea of why it burned out and why the instruments are haywire.

I'm sorry for the long post, but if you have any suggestions please help. I've reached the end of what I know to to and my wife is beginning to give me sour looks every time I come in from the garage.
 

jayrodoh

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Re: Mercruiser 470 Wiring Problem

First off, I would recommend that you ditch the ammeter, especially if it is located in the dash. All the current that your boat consumes runs through it(except starting), and could be a fire hazard if the boat is drawing more amps than the wiring/gauge can handle. A newer single wire alternator is probably capable of supplying more amperage if needed than the older stator system(running add on accessories, etc). There's a reason you don't see them on cars anymore. Replace it with a voltage gauge.

You should be able to run the single wire directly to the large battery wire on the starter and be done with it and eliminate the other two wires from the regulator (could be red, red/white, purple, and or orange), or you can attach to the wire that went to the top right screw on the regulator. Just make sure that the stator wires are secured and cannot ground out on anything.

If you had a picture of what you have going on, that would help too.
 

bhammer

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Re: Mercruiser 470 Wiring Problem

The single wire from the alternator goes right to the battery. That is all it takes. Nothing in the middle and no other regulators.

Double check your grounds on the engine and battery. This could have been the reason why the origianl regulator fried. You do not need the regulator wires anymore and on my old one, I even removed it and the stator. I re-routed the cooling lines around the regulator. I also took off all grounds and cleaned them up with scouring pads.
 

Dadicus

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Re: Mercruiser 470 Wiring Problem

Thanks to both of you for your suggestions. I've tried both sets of suggestions and still have the shorting problem. I guess I'm going to have to disconnect one accessory and every wire one at a time to find the short. That'll be fun. I'll let you know what happens.
 

Dadicus

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Re: Mercruiser 470 Wiring Problem

The problem turned out to be a bad connection in the wiring harness. The main ground was bad. I fixed it and things are better. Unfortunately, by the time I found the bad ground I had fried a big fuse and ruined my tach and temp gauges. I certainly know a lot more about the wiring system now than I did before.
 
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