Mercruiser Water in oil

neil jameson

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1994 V6, 4.3l LX 4 bbl.<br />I purchased this boat in August 2002 with 70 hrs on it. It seemed to run great and all appeared OK. In Nov 2002 I got rain water in no 5 cyl through the carb. I found it within 1 week. (went to start it and it would not crank (at all, yes I was lucky). I took out the plugs and cranked engine to get it all out. Next trip I found water in the crankcase oil so went back to the ramp and had the oil changed. The engine appeared to run great, marine mechanic gave it a clean bill of health. (40 psi oil press and 140 degree F) <br />I checked no 5 cylinder a few months later (as we had a big rain storm) and forgot to put the spark plug lead back on. I ran the engine for about 3-4 hours before finding that. The engine seemed to run fine after that.<br />I did not observe water in the crankcase oil again, I checked 10-15 mins after starting every trip. I did however, have milk build-up in the top of the valve covers (found by removing the hose to the flame arrestor) and in the hose to the flame arrestor. I cleaned this out several times and thought it was due to the wet weather and the boat being outdoors and under cover sweating. I also noticed slight steam rising from the oil filler cap (with the cap off). I winterized the motor by removing the block drain plugs, manifold/riser drain plugs and hoses to the block. I didn't fill with antifreeze as we live in Jacksonville, Florida and it does not get real cold, but does sometimes have frost overnight. On the real cold nights I put a light bulb inside the motor cover. <br /><br />We moved house and the boat has been in a garage since July 2003. <br />In Nov 2003 the engine seemed to be loosing power and as risers and manifolds were original (almost 10 years) and there was continued milk in the valve covers along with slight steam from the oil fill cap. I decided to go ahead and change both exhaust manifold and risers. <br /> <br />I completed a compression test and got 2 cylinders at 190psi, 2 at 180 and 2 at 175 psi. I figured this was acceptable. I even did it again hot, found them 5 psi higher. <br />I went ahead and replaced the exhaust manifolds, risers gaskets. I thought with the good compression that it was probably the risers. <br /><br />I put it all back together and ran it. I then saw a rusty line between the head and the intake manifold and also drops of water under the block water pump.....back into the garage.<br /><br />I removed the exhaust manifolds/risers and then the inlet manifold. The gasket had a couple of spots that looked suspect, rust stains. As I was in this far I decided to remove the heads and have them pressure checked. They checked out, no leaks and they were flat.<br />I replaced the head gaskets with original Mercruiser gaskets, and replaced the intake manifold all with new gaskets. I took considerable time to ensure all surfaces were 100% clean prior to re-assembly. I had a friend from the mobile workshop at work (Master Mechanic) supervise putting the heads and intake manifold back. He said all looked Ok. We also measured how far each piston rose up the bore, all measured the same. Each bore looked real clean, with no scores, scaring.<br />I put the exhaust man, risers, carb etc back on. I also replaced the water pump. <br />I will be using the boat in salt water considerably in the future, so with all the new parts installed I decided to put a heat exchanger on the block only. Raw water still circulates through the manifolds. <br />The kit came with a replacement 160 degree F thermostat to replace the original 140.<br /><br />On Saturday I ran the motor on the garden hose and once the timing was set got the motor to run. It seemed fine......<br />I noticed the heat exchanger block side water level dropping (approx 500ml in 10 mins) and considerable steam from the oil fill cap. This was more when I reved the engine. I let the motor cool overnight, topped it up again and ran again Sunday (hoping it was an air bubble). The level dropped again and now I have milky oil in the crankcase. I did not observe any steam/gases coming from the heat exchanger fill cap. The motor run at 160 degrees F and 40-45 psi. <br /><br />Can you please offer any advice - were to go next?
 

achris

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Re: Mercruiser Water in oil

Kiwi99,<br /><br />Get hold of a raditor pressure tester. Your mechanic friend should be able to help you with that. If you've pressure tested the heads and have a new water pump then it sounds like you may have a leak in the block somewhere.<br /><br />Chris.........
 

neil jameson

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Re: Mercruiser Water in oil

Chris,<br />thanks for the info....I lived in Mandurah from 1993-2001. Great spot, hope to get back there some time and bring this boat back. <br /><br />Yep I am sure there is a water leak somewhere. I will put on a presure tester on the heat exchanger... How do I find the leak??? <br />How can I confirm if the leak is in the cylinder wall or leaking into the motor valley?<br />If the compression is still good and there are no exhaust gases in the block water, do you think a can of radiator stop leak will fix it or will I still be up for a new engine??<br />I have looked after this engine well and it only has 160 hrs on it, I'll be real disappointed if I have to scrap it.
 

achris

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It could be your lucky? day. My motor is 1994 4.3LX (4bbl), so I can just go out and look at it for you. I would remove the intake manifold and cut a few bits of steel plate and 'shut' the cooling passages across the heads, and re-test. That'll indicate if the problem is in the block/heads. Since you've already had the heads tested you should be able to rule them out. So you'd just left with the block. If it doesn't leak, then it's the intake manifold. Easy :D <br /><br />Chris.........
 

neil jameson

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Chris,<br />thanks for this info...I had not thought about doing that. So easy once you mention it. I will get some blanks cut and try it this weekend. I have a spare set of intake gaskets that I can put on afterwards. I'll let you know how I go....<br /><br /><br />Thanks<br />Neil
 

neil jameson

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chris,<br />bad news. Presure tested the cooling system tonight, still leaking. I then removed the intake man and fitted the blanks.<br /><br />There is a 300 mm crack on the starboard water jacket in the motor valley. It runs from the front to the back of the motor. It is about 25 mm down from the head gasket. No wonder so much water in the oil. <br /><br />Is this typical of a block crack in the water jacket? :eek: I dont have any experience with cracks but this looks real unusual to me. Guess I need to start looking for a new engine. <br /><br />I don't like the thought of a remanufactured block as it will be already party corroded. Any thoughts on reman versis a new short block with my existing heads??? <br /><br />I saw your response to the I/O closed cooling questions. I placed the exchanger on for the same reasons. Does you exchanger cool the manifolds as well. I was told that the leg water pump did not have the capacity to pump water to the manifolds and risers as well. it was recommended to install another vee belt pump to do this? <br /><br />You must spend a lot of time on this site...Thanks I know I appreciated the help<br /><br />Neil
 

achris

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Hi Neil,<br /><br />Sorry to hear the news. You could try looking for a block from a truck engine and then put all the marine parts in to it. I haven't heard of a crack like yours. Was the engine used/stored in any place that has freezing temperatures? Water freezing in the block could cause it. <br /><br />The heat exchanger on my engine cools the block, heads and both exhaust manifolds. The water from the leg water pump cools the heat exchanger and risers. In the standard configuration (sea water cooling) the water pump in the leg supplies all the water for cooling of engine, heads, manifolds and risers. <br /><br />Mercruiser recommend that if using a heat exchanger (closed cooling) then an engine mounted water pump will be required if the water temperature is greater than 80 degrees F. I don't have an aux water pump and have run in water at 85 without any problems. That said, the heat exchanger had been cleaned out recently.<br /><br />Good luck with finding a block, and keep us posted.<br /><br />Chris..........
 
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