Mercury 60 EFI 4-stroke vs. Suzuki DF70

skirkpat

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Hi,<br /><br />I would like some advice on what to go for... I have heard great reviews of both engines, but I would like to find out how they really compare. I am looking for one of these for my 16' open sportsboat (about 850lbs). If there is negligable performance difference I may opt for the Mercury as its alot lighter, and I have a better local dealer network. The Suzuki on the other hand has a 30% higher displacement... will this give me the real hole-shot benefit?<br /><br />Thanks guys!!
 

JB

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Re: Mercury 60 EFI 4-stroke vs. Suzuki DF70

Hi, Skirkpat.<br /><br />The Suzi is heavier than the Merc. It has more cubic inches, and is "rated" at 10 more hp.<br /><br />The true bottom line in below-top-speed performance is displacement, which makes torque, and how much weight it is trying to move.<br /><br />My DF70 (on a Boston Whaler 17) often startles other boats running small displacement (around 70ci) engines "rated" at 90hp by either out accellerating them or staying with them until near top speed, when they walk away from me (but not by a lot). The DF70 is heavier than all carbed 90hp 2 strokes.<br /><br />Based on that experience I would expect the DF70 to have a better hole shot but only a little more top speed than the Merc.<br /><br />Hope that helps. :)
 

manitoba1

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Re: Mercury 60 EFI 4-stroke vs. Suzuki DF70

I've got the DF70 (2000) as well but on a on 16 ft alumacraft classic 16 and couldn't be happier with it. This engine has the same bottom end as the old 100hp Suzuki 2 stroke so it's built solid with a good size prop. I run a 17 pitch aluminum prop (haven't tried stainless) but mine runs at the optimum rpm range for this engine and will do 38mph by the gps. Excellent torque and accelleration. I can pull a slalom skier out of the water no problem. I haven't run the merc so I can't comment on it's performance but my guess is it won't have the torque of the DF70. What is the price difference between the two? If they are close go for the 70. If you fish, this engine is unbelievably quiet and trolls all day without missing a beat. Very fuel efficient. <br /><br />Manitoba1
 

Forktail

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Re: Mercury 60 EFI 4-stroke vs. Suzuki DF70

The true bottom line in below-top-speed performance is displacement, which makes torque
I have to disagree. Displacement has very little to do with making torque. The amount of torque an engine produces has more to do with things like compression ratio, stroke length, crank throw, intake and exhaust porting, fuel ignition timing, etc., and the inherent design characteristics of the engine itself. <br /><br />There are many smaller displacement engines which produce more torque than larger displacement engines, even throughout the RPM band.<br /><br />One of the major differences in these two outboards is the gearing. The DF70 has a higher gear ratio (lower gearing). Therefore its prop operates at a lower rpm. This allows for bigger props, and higher thrust (not torque). Add to this the fact that the DF70 has a lower engine rpm operating range and you most likely get slower speeds under normal applications.<br /> <br />Now, consider this.....<br /><br />The DF70 has about 23% more displacement than the Merc 60 EFI. Yet it produces only 14% more propshaft HP. <br /><br />And using some simple math, HP(prop) = T(prop) X RPM(prop)/5252.<br /><br />And prop RPM = engine RPM/gear ratio<br /><br />The Merc 60 runs 6000 engine RPM with a 1.83 gear reduction. Thus, the Merc's prop is turning 3279 RPM at prop shaft.<br /><br />The Suzuki 70 runs 5800 engine RPM with a 2.42 gear reduction. Thus, the Suzuki's prop is turning 2397 RPM at prop shaft.<br /><br />Now, the Merc prop runs 60 HP at 3279 rpm. So 60 HP = T X 3279/5252. Therefore, Torque (at prop and max HP) = 96.1 ftlbs.<br /><br />Now, the Suzuki runs 70 HP at 2397 rpm. So 70 HP = T X 2397/5252. Therefore, Torque (at prop and max HP) = 153.4 ftlbs.<br /><br />Notice a 37.4% increase in the DF70 prop torque over the 60 HP Merc. Again, the Suzuki increases prop thrust this way through gear reduction, but it will also reduce the prop's speed (depending on your application, sometimes it's 6 of one and half-a-dozen of another).<br /><br />We can just work backwards to find the engine (flywheel) torque.<br /><br />The Merc 60 has a gear ratio of 1.83:1. So we can divide its prop torque of 96.1 ftlbs by 1.83 to find the engine torque. 96.1 ftlbs/1.83 = 52.5 ftlbs at engine flywheel.<br /><br />The Suzuki 70 has a gear ratio of 2.42:1. So we can divide its prop torque of 153.4 ftlbs by 2.42 to find the engine torque. 153.4 ftlbs/2.42 = 63.4 ftlbs at engine flywheel.<br /><br />So the 70 HP Suzuki, with its 23% more displacement, is acutally making 17% more engine torque than the Merc 60 at max operating rpm, and coverting that advantage to 37.4% more prop torque through it's gearing.<br /><br />Remember, this is only the engine torque at one RPM level. We have not considered thrust or performance throughout the RPM band.<br /><br />If you don't need the higher thrust of the DF70, and take into consideration the extra 100 lbs, its slower prop speed, possible higher cost, etc, you may find the Merc 60 EFI to be a better choice.
 

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Re: Mercury 60 EFI 4-stroke vs. Suzuki DF70

Gotcha, Forktail!! :D <br /><br />I figured that comment would get a full scale lecture from you.<br /><br />Thanks for the analysis. :)
 

neumanns

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Re: Mercury 60 EFI 4-stroke vs. Suzuki DF70

This topic is now open for debate...Not with me, with Forktail. :D Common guys, Give him your best shot! :p
 

skirkpat

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Re: Mercury 60 EFI 4-stroke vs. Suzuki DF70

Thanks Forktail and others for the feedback. It looks like the Suzuki will deal better with the heavier loads with the added torque and larger prop size, however, my boat will only be about 1100lbs fully loaded at most times.<br /><br />It seems that most people in this forum would opt for the Suzuki, but it would be good to get opinion from Merc 60 efi owners out there.
 

Elmer Fudge

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Re: Mercury 60 EFI 4-stroke vs. Suzuki DF70

Hey guys! C'mon give Forktail a break.<br /><br />Forktail you're deep bro :p :D <br /><br />That was an excellent analysis :cool: :)
 

butlp

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Re: Mercury 60 EFI 4-stroke vs. Suzuki DF70

Skirkpat<br />I'm not sure if this will be of any help to you but I have the Merc 50 hp EFI with bigfoot lower unit on a 22' pontoon, which is basically the same as the 60 hp (de-tuned I think).<br /><br />My main reason for choosing this motor was based on the following criteria:<br /><br />1. Dealer support in my area<br />2. Must be a 4 stroke EFI<br />3. Quiet operation<br />4. Price and Warranty<br /><br />After two seasons and nearly 100 hrs I am very happy with the way the motor performs, the ease of servicing and the cost and availability of parts. <br />There has been a number of posts on this board about the lack of Suzuki dealers and the terrible parts support, so bare that in mind.<br /><br />Another great post from Forktail ;) I'm surprised he sticks around with all the abuse that gets thrown his way :rolleyes:
 

BBogey

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Re: Mercury 60 EFI 4-stroke vs. Suzuki DF70

I've had the 60HP EFI Merc 4-stroke on the back of my 17' duck boat for 3 seasons (hunting, fishing, and general boating) I flat love it!!!! I can't tell you how it stacks up compared to others, but it's quiet, fuel efficiant, starts in -5 degree weather, or 100 degree weather!<br /><br />Good luck!
 
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