Midrange Porpoising

Glenmac

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I have a Crestliner CMV 1750 with a 115hp Yamaha engine. Had a 19P prop and changed to a 17p which brought my WOT rpms to 5800-6000 and I am happy with that. My problem is that at my midrange 34-4500 rpms I get fairly signif porpoising that goes away if a power thru. I have raised the engine also so that the cav. plate is about even or 1/2" above the bottom of the boat. Question 1: What exactly does raising the engine accomplish? 2) My dealer wants to put wedges on the engine, has anyone had any experience with these? I would really like to not place smart tabs or the like because of having to put more holes in the boat and moving the depth finder unit etc. I just want to be able to travel at a mid speed smoothly.<br /><br />Thanks for the help,<br />Glen
 

Jdeagro

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Re: Midrange Porpoising

The reason the boat is porpoising is balance. Once you get to the mid range speed the boat is apparently riding on the hull where the stern and bow weight is near equal. At this point any increase in upward bow pressure will rotate the nose up and then gravity will bring it back down.<br /><br />Based on your comments about a transom wedge, you must be running with the motor down at this speed and the dealer is trying to give you more negative trim. I hope that your dealer is helping you pay for the gas you use. More negative trim may keep the bow from coming up but it will be at a cost in fuel economy. The most efficient method for the prop is perpendicular to the surface of the water ( no negative trim and no positive trim). Keep in mind that the trim gauge is telling you the position of the motor in relationship to the boat, not the water.<br /><br />If you are thinking that the Smart Tabs are for "fixing problems only", and this porpoising is your problem, don't bother buying the Smart Tabs (and I make them). Although they will eliminate the porpoising, your expectations of our product are too little. <br /><br />The common thinking is that props, transom wedges, hydrofoils, and set back plates are the answer to boat performance issues. Notice that all of these devices are related to the motor. The motor is there to propel the boat, not fix boat balance and hull issues. Although these problems can be minimized or eliminated with these motor related items, they will do so at a cost to some other performance characteristic. In other words they are a compromise.<br /><br />Your boat porpoises because it is stern loaded like most other boats. You need to create some additional bow pressure at the "porpoising speed" to keep the bow down. <br /><br />Your choices are Hydrofoils, Transom Wedges, etc.<br /><br />Do some additional research before you make a decision. Go to our web site (www.nauticusinc.com) and down load the booklet on "Boat Balance and Performance" at the bottom of the left side menu. Or call 800-233-0194. Also check other posts, and sites.<br /><br />John DeAgro<br /><br />Nauticus, Inc.
 

Glenmac

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Re: Midrange Porpoising

John<br /><br />Thanks for the reply. Sorry it took so long to thank you. I have read on trim tabs etc. and will take your advice and further check out the web site. If I were to buy them, it would definitely be the Smart tabs. I am not real convinced on using the Bennet system or others that are not self adjusting.<br /><br />Could you tell me exactly what raising the engine does for performance? I have a friend who had a heavier boat and used a stingray hydrofoil which eliminated his problem but of course this is not his boat or his porpoising. I would rather not use the wedges, especially after what you have related to me.<br /><br />Thanks again for your help,<br />Glen
 

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Re: Midrange Porpoising

The cavitation plate (flange above the prop) should be even of a little (1") above the bottom of the V in your hull. This is the best position for the prop to capture the water and to propell the boat from a position as close to the axcess point as possible. If the motor is too low then the prop becomes a leverage arm to push the bow up. You want to push the boat through the center if possible. To get the idea easier think in terms of the prop being six feet down in the water on a long shaft.
 

Glenmac

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Re: Midrange Porpoising

John<br />It is now even or maybe 1/2" (at the most above the cavitation plate). Do you think raising it up another hole would be of benefit?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Glen
 

Jdeagro

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If the Cavitation plate is below the bottom of the hull V by 1//2" it would not hurt to raise the motor one hole, but it sounds as though you are close as it is. I do not think that you will get rid of the porpoising totaly with this minor change. If you want overall improvemnt, in addition to eliminating the porpoising, install trim tabs.
 

Maximerc

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Re: Midrange Porpoising

Check your boat for problems .. like waterlogged foam .. structural damge ..such as bad stringers and or waterlogged transom, hooked boottom . If no culprit then consider installing the tabs.
 

Glenmac

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Re: Midrange Porpoising

Maximerc<br /><br />Thanks for the advice. I don't think any of those apply. The boat is brand new, no leaks, no wood in transom, I checked the hull...no hooked bottom.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Glen
 

Glenmac

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Re: Midrange Porpoising

John<br /><br />After doing alot of reading on the smart tabs vs hydrofoil, and trying to swallow the idea of doing the cheapest thing, I believe the trim tabs are the best idea. With the above information on my boat (17' and weighs about 1500#'s with engine), do you recommend the ST1290-60? I have gotten rec's while reading on using the -60 and one article said with my specs I should be using the -80. Which do you recommend?<br /><br />Thanks for taking the time to help.<br />Glen
 

Glenmac

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Re: Midrange Porpoising

Another question. What is the difference between the smart tabs and mobster tabs. My crestliner is their version of the bass boat but it is not really "high performance". Which tabs would you recommend?<br /><br />Thanks
 

Jdeagro

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Re: Midrange Porpoising

Go with the ST1290-60.<br /><br />The 80's will give you too much lift.<br /><br />Thank and let us know what the results are.
 

Glenmac

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Re: Midrange Porpoising

Thanks, it will be a while but will certainly post the results and looking forward to no more porpoising.<br /><br />Glen
 
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