Missing 2000 rpm -79 Mariner 70hp 3 cyl

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dorsett59

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Hello
So, here's the breakdown.
I took the boat and motor into a shop to have the lower unit sealed properly, and to get a new water pump impeller installed. I figured that was a reasonable investment, as the lower unit has 20-some seals.

The first time I took it out, I had motor issues. Engine was bogging down, not getting above fast idle, some other issues. I traced that one down to bad fuel flow. Squeeze the primer bulb, things got better. Lower end was leaking, though. So much for that $400.

Got it back in, ran diagnostics on it. Cyl compression betw 20-135, fuel pump diaphragm was kinda crunchy, carb needles and seats were leaking a bit.

Electrical/ignition system is doing fine. Did a complete check on the coils (fine), ignition box ohm readings all in spec. Stator is within spec on high and low sides.

I checked the fuel lines, and they are old, but still clean and no kinks/bends/blockages. Fuel filter/strainer is new.

I replaced the fuel pump diaphragm, needles and seats on both carbs, cleaned out all the carb passages, and did some driveway testing. Checked spark, and it seemed fine. It starts great, goes to high idle just ducky. Throttle travel is full, and the ignition timing (low end) was great. All three cylinders were producing spark, and had rpm drop when disconnecting the plug. When warm, it starts in a half crank. When cold, it takes a couple cranks.
Took it out today to test some other things. Got the fuel mixture set, got the timing all set to 28 BTC (as in manual), checked fuel pressure (1.5 psi idle, 2.5 psi WOT), but had a fuel line connector that was funky/temperamental. I spliced that out, and the thing is not having any fuel supply issues, except when the tank runs out of fuel.
But still, the engine does not get above 3200 rpm. Had it running there for 20 mnutes straight. Last fall, before putting it away for the winter, it was getting to 5300 rpm. No prop change from last year, using new gas bought last month.

What could be wrong here? I'm out of ideas. Compression is good, spark is good, fuel is good. What else is left?
 

dorsett59

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Re: Missing 2000 rpm -79 Mariner 70hp 3 cyl

I knew I would forget something. Spark plugs are clean. No fouling, no oil, no white residue, nada. They look pristine.
 

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Re: Missing 2000 rpm -79 Mariner 70hp 3 cyl

Hope you meant 120-135 psi on compression (not 20-135)

Sounds like you did only DVM checks on electrical components (stator, coils, etc.). To rule them in or out, you must do checks with a DVA meter. Even then you can really never rule in a switchbox, only rule everything else out.

EDIT: how does the wiring under the cowling look? Those 70's mercury/mariner components were made with some really crappy wiring insulation compounds that WILL fail eventually, even in freshwater only...hell, just sitting on a shelf in a box.

You mentioned needles and seats; did you do a complete carb dissasemble and clean, including blowing out all the little tiny passages? If so, did you try richening up the idle needles 1/8 to 1/4 turn versus "perfect"? (These motors love rich mixture while transitioning into power)
 

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Re: Missing 2000 rpm -79 Mariner 70hp 3 cyl

Thank you. Yes, the compression is 120-135.
I replaced the wires 4 years ago when I first got the motor. They were all kinds of nasty.
I tuned the carbs to be where the book said they should be, although I had them running richer while I was tuning it. If I could have gotten a few more hundred rpm out of it rich, they'd still be there!
Thanks for pointing to the switchbox. I do have a Fluke 87, but I don't know what the test procedure is for the switchbox, other than what's in the Seloc manual. Any suggestions?
 

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Re: Missing 2000 rpm -79 Mariner 70hp 3 cyl

That's just it, there is no specific test (to my knowledge) to say a switchbox is "good"...only tests to rule everything else as "good" so that by default it must be the switchbox at fault.

Have you found the Fluke 87 to be fast enough to act like a DVA to catch voltages from the stator, etc.?
 

dorsett59

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Re: Missing 2000 rpm -79 Mariner 70hp 3 cyl

The Fluke display is pretty slow, however it has a record function to capture max/mins, avg, and other items.
But I don't have any procedure or idea what the voltages should be going from the stator into the switchbox, so I didn't capture them when I had the boat on the lake.
Darn.
 
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