Need boat wax

sikz3

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Ok, I used some meguiars auto wax a couple months ago, but before I put it away in the garage I want to wash and wax again before it goes away for the winter. Last time I used a high speed buffer. I want to give it a good 'ole hand wax. Can anyone recommend a good marine wax?
 

nitsuj

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Re: Need boat wax

Meguiars Tech Wax is good stuff. But as someone who doesn't detail as often as I should, I don't really know the difference between a marine wax and an auto wax. Is a good auto wax not as good on a boat as a marine wax?
 

fixb52s

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Re: Need boat wax

I use the Meguiars NXT 2.0 Tech Wax on the cars, and their Flagship boat wax on the boat. Looking at their site, they say the formulation is different, and it appears to me the Marine stuff is a little more agressive with the cleaners than the car stuff.

Anyho, here is a cut and paste from the Meguiars forum from the factory guys:​


While some degree of marketing almost always comes into play when anyone is selling consumables to the general public (that doesn't really surprise anyone, does it?), the fact of the matter remains that there is a huge difference between a gel coat and paint.

Gel coats are much thicker than paint (20-25 mils vs 2 mils), considerably harder and much more porous. In some ways they behave much like single stage paint - oxidation, chalkiness with neglect, the ability to be "brought back" after severe oxidation, etc. But where this process can often be done fairly easily by hand on single stage paint, it's an enormous task on gel coat due to the hardness of it.

The porosity of gel coat is very different than paint as well. Where paint can be wet sanded and polished to reveal a high luster without negatively effecting the paint (assuming that you have enough film build to safely wet sand, but that's another discussion), gel coat responds much differently. Yes, you can wet sand gel coat but once you do you really open those pores and it will start to oxidize and degrade even faster.

Many carnauba based automotive waxes don't play well with gel coats either as there is a greater propensity for yellowing of the finish with them. Again, this is due to the porosity of the finish and it's ability to "drink in" the product - especially once that gel coat starts to age.

Now, if you've got a relatively new gel coat and you get a little scuff on it, or you want to wax it, are you OK using Ultimate Compound and NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0? Of course. But once that gel coat starts to age you will definitely get better performance out of the Marine/RV line of products.


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Fordiesel69

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Re: Need boat wax

I use the Meguiars NXT 2.0 Tech Wax on the cars, and their Flagship boat wax on the boat. Looking at their site, they say the formulation is different, and it appears to me the Marine stuff is a little more agressive with the cleaners than the car stuff.

Anyho, here is a cut and paste from the Meguiars forum from the factory guys:​


While some degree of marketing almost always comes into play when anyone is selling consumables to the general public (that doesn't really surprise anyone, does it?), the fact of the matter remains that there is a huge difference between a gel coat and paint.

Gel coats are much thicker than paint (20-25 mils vs 2 mils), considerably harder and much more porous. In some ways they behave much like single stage paint - oxidation, chalkiness with neglect, the ability to be "brought back" after severe oxidation, etc. But where this process can often be done fairly easily by hand on single stage paint, it's an enormous task on gel coat due to the hardness of it.

The porosity of gel coat is very different than paint as well. Where paint can be wet sanded and polished to reveal a high luster without negatively effecting the paint (assuming that you have enough film build to safely wet sand, but that's another discussion), gel coat responds much differently. Yes, you can wet sand gel coat but once you do you really open those pores and it will start to oxidize and degrade even faster.

Many carnauba based automotive waxes don't play well with gel coats either as there is a greater propensity for yellowing of the finish with them. Again, this is due to the porosity of the finish and it's ability to "drink in" the product - especially once that gel coat starts to age.

Now, if you've got a relatively new gel coat and you get a little scuff on it, or you want to wax it, are you OK using Ultimate Compound and NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0? Of course. But once that gel coat starts to age you will definitely get better performance out of the Marine/RV line of products.


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So reading your last line, what do you recommend as a "marine/rv line" or products? I also have a nice original candy apple red gel coat I need to bring back to life.
 

jmarty10

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Re: Need boat wax

I used starbrite boat wax. Bought it from local true value. Loved it, bought shines like new. (of course its only a year old)
 

Knightgang

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Re: Need boat wax

So reading your last line, what do you recommend as a "marine/rv line" or products?

I read this as a copy paste from the Maguiars employees on the forum. I would be interested in what is recommended form the boat/rv line as well. I have both and want to keep them looking well.

That said, suppose you have an older boat and the gel coat has been painted over with Interlux or Awlgrip or other boat/automotive paint. Would the auto waxes be better to use then?
 

fixb52s

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Re: Need boat wax

Yes, the last line is a cut/paste from a Meguiars rep. Like I stated earlier, I recommend the Flagship marine line stuff.

With all this said, I have been using the Meguiars Gold Class car wax on my Chris Craft after I buffed it out last year. (I only found the Tech Wax and Flagship earlier this year and starting using it this June) My Chris Craft has been off the water since the engine came out and I got the Chap. I did notice I would have to wax that Chris Craft (with the Gold Class) every few months to keep it looking good. Prior to taking it out of the water, I put a coat of the Flagship on it. Since June of this year, it seems to be holding up very well. No, it has not been on the water but has been taking the Florida sun every day.

I have only put a first coat of Flagship on the Chap in August and so far it also is holding up. I notice that I don't get the brown stain on the hull as I did before waxing it. That could be because there was no wax on it, so that might not be a good gauge. It went on easy and I was able to do the entire boat in one day (26.5ft + handwaxing = long day).

Meguiars has a good forum on their home page. Yes there are the factory guys selling their stuff, but you can see just how many people are happy with it.​
 

tboltmike

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Re: Need boat wax

This message #3 in this link http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=296625 regarding restoring the gel on my restore.

These were 3M Compound, Polish, and wax that I used on my restore. A paint gloss meter was used. It started out as 35 and was able to achieve 92. It has held well even with gas being spilt around the gas cap.

Mike
 
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