Need help with timing on '75 merc 850

eroth111

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My motor can be a pain in the *** to get started as well as almost stalling when I try get on it from a standstill most of the time. once i fiddle with it enough times it will eventually get up and go and once its there its golden. Its very frustrating and Ive tried many things to fix it. Ive replaced fuel tank, filter, line. fuel pump and carbs both rebuilt, as well as brand new spark plugs. I was told that my timing may be off and in need of adjustment to solve this problem. I dont know where to start on adjusting the timing can someone help me out?
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mercurymang

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Re: Need help with timing on '75 merc 850

I learned a good trick recently. I have a '75 as well but it's a 650. Is your's a 3 cyl with a distributor?
 
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Maxz695

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View attachment 178771If you have a switchbox and no distributor (likely) You should set the carb lever to just before touching the Throttle cam, After this is set run the engine and adjust the low idle timing to the best running in forward idol. I run my at about 1100 RPM. Thats it. The high idol timing may be OK if you never did an adjustment on the screw. If your not able to get below 1200 RPM in forwards there could be several things wrong. Low idle jets are still dirty. Poorly adjusted floats. Leaking carb due to needle and seat. Poorly seating reeds. After you get the low idle timing set adjust the carb out from a light seat about 1 3/4 turns. Try a holeshot. If No good open each carb 1/8 turn until good holeshot is achived. I have to open my mixture screws on my 3 cyl 70 hP almost 2 complete turns to get a good holeshot
 

kazek

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Re: Need help with timing on '75 merc 850

link and sync is in order.clam canino instructions will get you going.definatly a fuel trouble.check your fuel tank vent.
 
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Maxz695

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no casino just basic adjustments that are proven. True a link an sync would be wie but he isn,t asking for that information just nessecary adjustments
 

eroth111

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Re: Need help with timing on '75 merc 850

Thank you Maxz! and it is a 4 cyl. So when you say adjust the low idle timing, how do i do the adjustmet itself? Is that reffering to the screws on the front of the carbs or something else? Im still new to boat motors. And mixture screws?
Thanks again
 
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Maxz695

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View attachment 178772 once you have the throttle cam touching the carb lever lock the idol screw and adjust the low idol timing accoringly as well as carb adjustments which could open up as much as 2 1/2 turns out from a light seat. Find you beat holeshot when evenly opening up the mixture screws and udjust low timing for best idol. This may take several attempts to accomplish.
 

oldman570

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Re: Need help with timing on '75 merc 850

Read the reply to the Thread listed under 73 Merc idle troubles on here. You will find several answers to your troubles in that thread. You will find that I replyd with a past Sticky that was on here redone by Spiner Bait and you might want to save it to your Favorites on the computer or save it if you can. Real good info from past post for the older inline motors. JMO
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eroth111

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Re: Need help with timing on '75 merc 850

Ok ,maxz. So you suggest i make these adjustmets while in the water i assume, not on muffs. And thanks oldman i will defenitely check that out!
 
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Maxz695

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The final adjustment should be with the boat in the water. You may go out 2 turns and even a bit more before you try the holeshot and get it to pick up and VROOM whet gunning the throttle. The thing is you want to get it just to the point where this occurs. opening it up more than that will give you a rich adjustment that would be no good to the cylinders. Thats why I say adjust a bit at a time until the holeshot is achieved giving it a few seconds to burn off fuel before making another adjustment. When you have the carb mixture screws set for the holeshot and your done for the day give it a shot starting it the next day cold and it should start fairly easily. Heres the link and sinc Oldman is speaking of This basic procedure will work for all the 2/3/4/6 cylinder inlines from 1960 to 1988. It's not for the newer 3 and 4 cylinder loopers.

Engine off

Disconnect throttle cable

Pull throttle arm to full throttle and verify carbs open fully. Adjust main throttle stop so that the carbs are JUST hitting thier own little throttle stops. The idea here is that you want the screw stop and NOT the carbs acting as the "final stop" for your throttle lever.

Return the throttle to idle, carbs should be closed. Set all idle screws to 1 3/4 turns out from lightly seated.

Remove all plugs except #1, hook a timing light to #1. Then follow the narritive.

When the throttle is in the idle position the carbs should be fully closed and the ignition retarded. It is the amount of retardation that determines your idle speed and is set later with the idle stop screw.

Timing Event One - throttle pickup.
As the throttle is advanced, the spark timing advances toward TDC and then to before TDC. As the timing is just passing TDC the 1st (minor)throttle pickup should hit and start to open the carbs. Use the timing light. Adjust the tang or trigger screw to make this a reality. All of them are speced different, but if the 1st pickup hits at 3-4 degrees BTDC advance - you win. Use the timing light with a friend cranking it to complete this setting.

Timing Event Two - max advance.
As you continue to advance the throttle the timing will advance while the carbs slowly open a bit more. The next adjustment is max advance, this is the point where the distibutor (or trigger) can advance no more. Set the max-advance stop to 21 degrees for "direct charge" crossflow inlines and 34 degrees for the older plain vanilla crossflows. Use the light, - err to the side of caution.

Right after max advance, further throttle motion should cause the second throttle pickup to hit and open the carbs to full. You already set that -now verify it.

Leave the throttle cable disconnected and go to the water. Leave the boat strapped to the trailer and back it in so it's deep enought to run. Have a friend crank it while you operate the choke and throttle. Warm it up at 1500 rpms's.

When "warm" adjust the idle stop screw for about 800 rpm and then ajust your idle needle(s) in (one at a time) till the motor stumbles. Quickly backing it out 1/2 turn from "stumble" will usually save it from needing a re-start. Do that for all the idle screws. Re-set idle stop for 800.

Now have your friend put it in gear (make SURE you are on the transom NOT in the water) and reset your idle stop for as low as you can get it. 500-600rpm is great if your old reeds will let it idle that low in gear. Now, re-adjust the idle screws, in to stumble, then 1/2 turn out. When you've gone back and forth with that a few times and have it "perfect" - adjust each one out 1/4 turn.

Reset the idle stop so that it's about 700-800 out of gear and 500-600 in gear. Sometimes bad reeds won't let you get that low, you've GOT to get it under 1000 in neutral (worst case) to avoid beating up your lower unit when you shift into gear, even 1000 is "bad" but like I said "worst case".

Now adjust (and hook up)the throttle cable so that with the shifter in neutral, there is light to moderate pressure holding the throttle arm against the idle stop.

Take the boat off the trailer and go out in the water. Try the hole shot. If it falls on it's face try adjusting the idle screws out 1/4 turn at a time (all of them together) till you can get a hole shot. You can kind of do this on the trailer at the ramp, but it's not really safe for you, the boat, or the tow vehicle.n is speaking of
 
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