Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

Hogger

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This has been an ongoing dilema with me, my wife and our local shop.
They checked the boat out before we bought it, and they said the engine checked out fine, 200psi on all cylinders, ran great, etc... but the transom seal needed to be replaced, so we left it for them to fix. They then winterized it, and it sat in our garage for a couple months.
So we take it out a couple weeks ago, I let it idle for a while, then brought it up to 25 mph for a while, then 35, then decided to give it full throttle, and while increasing the throttle, the engine quit, and it hydro locked. Got it home and figured it was an electrical issue from the engine quitting from not enough juice for the electric fuel pump. Had all electrical tested and it's fine. So after a couple days I decide to pull some spark plugs, and I found water in some of the cylinders, took it to the shop, they looked it over, did whatever they did at the shop, then I went for a test ride with the mechanic to see if we could re-create the problem, but the boat ran fine, didn't have any issues.
So I got the boat home, and checked the oil, and it was milky. I figured it was from when it got hydro locked and sat for a couple days the water crept down to the crank case. So I pumped 2.5 gallons of oil/water mix out, and replaced with 5 quarts of oil, and a new filter. I ran it on the muffs, the oil pressure is fine, and temp is fine, but the oil is still really milky.
I have new riser gaskets that I will replace now that it looks like it wasn't just water leaking down the cylinder wall.
Or could it still be some residual water? That's an expensive rinse if I have to change the oil again.
What's going on here??????
 

Lyle29464

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

well it's not a low compression problem. Is your system closed cooling? If so did you lose all the coolant?
 

Don S

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

The oil will take several changes of oil and filter to clear up. If you had 2.5 gallons of oil and water mix out, you don't have riser, manifold, or gasket problems. you have a cracked block.
Might want to have a read of this thread.
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=369864
 

candrive55

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

"I ran it on the muffs, the oil pressure is fine, and temp is fine, but the oil is still really milky".

Sorry do you mean the oil is still milky or is it milky again after running after the oil change..
also ( thinking craked block)

"took it to the shop, they looked it over, did whatever they did at the shop"
Would help to know what they did.

also... "the engine quit, and it hydro locked. Got it home and figured it was an electrical issue from the engine quitting from not enough juice for the electric fuel pump. Had all electrical tested and it's fine"

Hmm I am confused
 

Hogger

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

Thanks for the replies.
After the oil change, the oil was still milky, but seeing Don's post re-afirms my thoughts about needed multiple oil changes. When I got the last bit of oil out tonight it was looking much better.
Can I use some cheap 10-30 oil for one or two more cleaning cycles before re-filling with the synthetic?

candrive55:
We wonder about what the shop did while they had it the second time. Maybe the found something they missed and fixed it. I don't know....
The engine quit while running. It sputtered, and quit. Someone here thought it was an electrical issue causing too low voltage going to the electrical fuel pump.


Tomorrow I will take a look at the risers, and change the gaskets. One looks like it has a little rust on the outside edge, but we'll see.
With the cleaner oil coming out, it makes me thing it might be OK, and maybe we jumped to conclusions. BUT, I'm still concerned about where the 2+ gallons initially pumped out came from.
 

Lyle29464

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

2.5 gallons will not go past your rings.
 

Monte1961

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

2.5 gallons of H2O in your engine oil? Thinking I would pressure test water system just to be sure before I went out with it again. To be honest, this amount of water makes me concerned!
 

Hogger

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

It was 2.5 gallons TOTAL. Not 2.5 gal. of water. About half of that would be oil if it takes 5 quarts, and 4 quarts = 1 gallon.
But, yes, it's still a lot of water.
 

Howard Sterndrive

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

sounds like you need to pressure test the cooling system and find the leak.
lots of links above to good info.
Your Volvo has an engine oil cooler too - don't forget about that
 

Don S

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

Can I use some cheap 10-30 oil for one or two more cleaning cycles before re-filling with the synthetic?

You can use any type of oil while cleaning, doesn't matter, it's only going to be in there for a few minutes.
One hint, when I am cleaning milk out of an engine, I warm it up, drain it, change filter, and heres the trick. Put in 3 quarts of oil, and 2 quarts of diesel fuel. Run about 10 minutes at 1000 rpm. Repeat as needed.
Usually only takes 1 or 2 changes to clean 90% of the muck out of it, the diesel fuel washes the milk off of things better than plain oil. When you do get it cleaned and take it for a test run, the heat in the oil will eventually boil the rest of the water away, assuming the block isn't cracked.
 

Hogger

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

Thanks Don. I'll give that a try.

I also have a hose connector on the starboard side of the engine for water. Is this to use instead of the muffs, or should I be using both?

Where is the engine oil cooler located?
I need to get a book for this thing....
 

Lyle29464

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

Not sure of your setup. most stern drives have a pump in the bottom that supplies your cooling water. Some have a pump on the engine with the pickup on the foot or a through hull fitting with a filter. If you have an oil cooler ( a great source for getting water in the oil) it should be in the input water line. Might have a power steering cooler also. One set of lines will go to your oil supply and one to the power steering pump. You will need to keep the water pump wet at all times when operating the engine.
 

2003lsr

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

"I also have a hose connector on the starboard side of the engine for water. Is this to use instead of the muffs, or should I be using both?"

Should be your engine flush. Does it have a blue cap on it?
 

Hogger

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

Yes, a blue cap with what looks like a drawing of a single cylinder, and a rotating arrow.
Would that be for flushing after running in salt water.
 

2010upset

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

After you flush and change oil warm the engine at dock side since residual moisture can remain and condense in the distributor cap shutting down the electrical
 

2003lsr

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Re: Need serious help. Getting water in oil.

That's it Hogger. I have one on my 4.3GL as well.
 
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