New Engine vs. Rebuilt

dmarkvid2

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Are rebuilt engines and outdrives (Mercruiser) dependable if I was to buy them from a reputable dealer? Or is NEW the way to go? I was checking around, And the average going price for a new 5.7 engine and outdrive is about 12,000.00 dollars. (not installed) Like they say: "The engine is the heart of the beast" and the motor, to me, is the most important part of the boat. Does any one here know of a reputable dealer of rebuilt engines and out drives? I live in Connecticut.
 

mkast

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Re: New Engine vs. Rebuilt

As with anything, you get what you pay for.<br />All things being equal, you can get a lemon rebuild or a lemon "new engine". At $12,000 new, being a mechanic, I'd look at big block/Bravo 1 rebuild, with warranty, with installation by me.<br />Anyway, I'd still look at marina installation using rebuilt big block instead of new small block.
 

Weirdwalt

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Re: New Engine vs. Rebuilt

As a mechanic I'd build my own engine and drive. I would definetly check out remans. Buy from a reputable company that has a proven track record with warranty.
 

QC

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Though not marine, I ran an engine shop for years. I have always felt that a good rebuild from a good mechanic can exceed the quality of a new engine. An actual human can see and check things that an assembly line simply can't. Of course a lower end rebuild will not prevent a fuel system issue etc.
 

THE BEEF

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you might want to check with someone who sells JASPER engines. They rebuild marine engines and outdrives. At least check the price first.<br />These people have a good reputation.They also carry<br />a good warranty.<br />Good luck<br />THE BEEF :D
 

crazy charlie

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Check out Moss marine in Long Island.Possibly freeport.Marty moss and family have been rebuilding Mercruisers for a few generations.Very reputable.Charlie
 

DB Durako

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Call me crazy, but $12K could get you a nice boat with a 5.7/Alpha setup and probably less than 100 hours of use, especially this time of the year.<br /><br />Be careful about putting a new power plant in an old hull and don't ever expect to get all your money back out of it.
 

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You might be right D Hull, but I got the 22ft cutty cabin and ez load trailer FREE. The hull is in very good shape, and i brought out it's shine again. There are no big gouges in the fiberglass, most of the brite work is is clean with no pitting, and took all the teak trim off and refinished it. It will need some upholstry work, and I can do most of that myself. The cabin is clean, and the boat came fully equipted with electronic,and all the safety gear. I guess its just a personal project for me. I most likely won't sell it for many many years. But I know what you're saying, and Thanks. I'm sure you'll be seeing me alot at this site asking questions.
 

whywhyzed

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I got a boat for $140 with a cracked block, bought a rebuilt short block and did all the component swapping myself. Brass core plugs, and a gasket set, New w/p in the drive, resealed lower unit, pertronix ign, new wires and cap, filters... I was in the water in a boat that looks and runs great for about $2000. <br />($12K woulda taken all the fun out of it for me...)
 

vipzach

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Re: New Engine vs. Rebuilt

Mark, why do you think you need both the drive and motor or do you just want them both?
 

DB Durako

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Mark---I am with Weirdwalt--tell us why it was free and we will tell you what to look out for.<br /><br />Hystat----I guess after 30 years of boating, I just want the "crusing to wrenching" ratio to be about 10 to 1 each year-------100 hours at the helm and 10 hours or less hanging upside down in the engine compartment.
 

dmarkvid2

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Double & Weird,<br /> It was free because my brother-in-law bought a newer boat, and didnt want to bother with the one he gave me, he knew I was looking for a boat, and no it wasnt sunk. I have had two other boats in the past. A Starcraft 18 ft center console, and a thirty ft, single screw Pembroke. I dont mind working on this one, because I know it will be a great boat when all is said and done.<br /> All it needs is TLC (and an engine and out drive) LOL. Its really not in that bad shape as you appear to think it is. I have a generous bro-in-law, what can I say. I'm not in a major rush to get it in the water. I'd say it was a personal project. I guess i want a chalange.<br /> If I can find a good rebuilt engine package for the right price,(and I will) I'll buy it. At this time, I cant afford to by a new boat of this size new, so even if I did spend 12k (which I dont think I will) I think I'm still ahead. Ya, call me crazy, call me what you want. I love working on it. And I came to this website to learn for myself.
 

whywhyzed

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Re: New Engine vs. Rebuilt

Originally posted by Double Hull:<br />Hystat----I guess after 30 years of boating, I just want the "crusing to wrenching" ratio to be about 10 to 1 each year-------100 hours at the helm and 10 hours or less hanging upside down in the engine compartment.
good point, DH, If I didn't love wrenching, I'd hate my boat by now. :) <br /><br />Funny to hear you say TLC, Mark's Joy; you do realize that in boating that stands for "Time, Labour and Cash"
 

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Funny to hear you say TLC, you do realize that in boating that stands for "Time, Labour and Cash"
Ayuh,........<br /><br />And,.... If You're Not doing All of the T & L,.....<br />You'll find the C,.. Doesn't Get Very Far................... ;)
 

dmarkvid2

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Well guys, I told you why it was free, but you still haven't told me what to look out for!! <br /> Mark
 

Bondo

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And,.... You Still haven't told Us,.. What drive Did it have......<br /><br />Go find a Donor Boat with Whatever Driveline in it that You Want,.......<br /><br />And, Junk That boat to Repower Yours..........<br /><br />That's the Cheapest,... Easiest Way To Do It...... ;)
 

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Re: New Engine vs. Rebuilt

replys are sometimes slow comming this time of year. we love ours boats, but this time of year we have to give sometime to our #2 love.(don't tell her)
 

ron7000

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Re: New Engine vs. Rebuilt

do not buy brand new from mercruiser, and try to buy as little 'mercruiser' parts as you can. When you buy mercruiser, you're stuck with only mercruiser parts and their expensive price, wether it be carburetor, fuel pump, alternator, distributor/ignition, etc.<br /><br />get a new outdrive from sterndrive engineering for $1500, that's the only aftermarket drive I would consider based on all the favorable reviews here.<br />I bought a Konrad drive, an aftermarket replacement for a mercruiser 1 drive from 1975, and that lasted me one season. Bought it for $2-3k new, lower housing was warped and I couldn't claim warranty on it. I ended up trading it in for a discount on a new alpha drive, which has lasted me since. You will take your chances with any rebuilt or used outdrive, warranty or not. One alpha drive I had that was 'rebuilt" sheared the propshaft, later found out they used a "used" propshaft to rebuild it.<br /><br />I bought a new 351w motor 10 years ago for $2800 I think, from Basic power out of NC. They have a decent website with prices. Motor came with everything minus fuel pump, alternator, and manifolds. Those I either took off from old engine or replaced outright for cheap, and motor has been excellent to this day. Basic power is a good source for or just browsing for marine parts. My recommendation is look for a new mercruiser replacement, not a new mercruiser. All the accessories will fit up to your existing powertrain, since the 5.7L chevy mercruiser setup is so common. Stay away from fuel injection, unless your really gungho to have it and understand the expense of having one. And stay away from mercruiser ignition, either get an engine with points and convert it with pertronix for $100 or just pick up a whole new prestolite, mallory, msd, or pertonix complete distributor with electronic ignition. The cost of just parts in a mercruiser distributor when they go bad can be the cost of a whole new aftermarket distributor.
 

Fishermark

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Re: New Engine vs. Rebuilt

I would normally say not to buy a complete brand new engine, but, as Bondo points out - that depends upon what you have now. I ended up buying a complete engine from Mercruiser and am very happy with it:<br />
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<br /><br />It is a 2003 Mercruiser 5.7 engine.<br /><br />I also wound up buying a new aftermarket outrdrive this year:<br /><br />
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<br /><br />I am also happy with it.<br /><br />Click here to see more pictures of my rig
 
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