New Member, old boat... restore!?!?! -Updated with pics and ???

docrodg

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OK... got this back in August, after almost 20 years of no boat. Was a budget-buy with family that comes up here twice a year pitching in and got a good deal on it. Spent a lot of time tracking things down about the boat but not a lot of info is out there.

So first the pic (did not get anymore yet, it is parked and tarped right now so will get more this week/weekend).

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1977 Sport-craft C-Eagle 250

Looked for as much info as I could on these boats... not much on the interwebz, but spoke with many old salts in the area here. Sportcraft is viewed as a good boat if from the right time frame, which this is. Being a small town here the PO was known as was the boat. The boat was considered a good boat (excepting some internal issues) and had been mechanically well cared for, the owner... well... :rolleyes: Sportcraft boats are well liked here on the great lakes and some of the guides I know were very adamant that it was a good choice.

So... got the boat and trailer, fixed the trailer (bunk uprights were weak and twisted) by welding one crack on it and then fabbing new uprights for the trailer from 3" c-channel steel 3/16 inch thick and welding in place, then wiring it for lights.

Took me one day to get the boat ready for the water safely, after I spent one day of inspection duty on all the gear and mechanicals etc. Had to add a sternlight to the list as wife dropped the lens for it in the bay when removing the bulb to get a new one :p

Now the season is over, the boat is sitting next to the house awaiting the long dark winter and snows. Everything has been winterized. Went over the boat again with flashlight, hammer, meter, and buck-knife.

Here is the list:

Electrical:
1. Redo all but engine. The PO has 5 splices in the bilge-pump line alone! Get rid of all the dang splices! Update to ISO wiring standard.

2. Shift batteries from current position (abaft engine) to new one more forward near the bulkhead (she sits a bit low at the stern)

3. Re-wire windlass, automatic breaker and wirenuts on the existing wiring scare me.

Mechanical:
1. new valve cover gaskets to take care of very small seepage.

2. Add a rudder position indicator.

3. Repair prop. There was an underwater obstruction at the end of the ramp dock and it bent up my prop. Owner of marina is gonna pay half of repair or replace - my choice. He offered to when it hit and he was standing there at the dock, surprised him it was there.

Structural:

1. Deck replacement in bow (5 ft by 3 foot)

2. Deck replacement in forward section of main deck (will be a full sheet of ply) where rotted from carpet.

3. Rebuild pedestals for seats (storage box under captain, cooler under passenger seat) and sink cabinet on main deck.

4. Fix transom - was done locally but failed. not fiberglassed on inner side so now rotting. All on starboard side. Removing gas tank is the puzzling part right now.

5. reseal all thru-hull

6. Paint, etc. Get her Purdy.

7. fill all the holes in front cuddy and dash from PO who had fun with a drill apparently. :mad: Guess he did not know any better about plugging holes when removing a fish finder and putting in a new one (left the wires too, just dangling!) either.

Good:

Main deck is SOLID. just pull up the carp vinyl cover, lay a single extra layer of glass for smoothness, gelcoat, and ??? - not sure about finish.

Stringers are SOLID.

Engine is good. compression, leak-down, and all other checks great. Leakdown under 8% all cylinders.

I figure this to be a lot of work, but not as much as some projects here. Still, I believe it is do-able for less than the pistons and cylinders alone are gonna cost for my 1968 Porsche 911 rebuild in progress and now on hold (4,500 bucks for pistons and cylinders! 150 bucks just for main bearings! total for all parts and machining is 9,000 :eek:)

Any feedback, opinions?
 
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Sounds like you have a good plan.

I would add these to my punch list ;)

Check flotation for water infiltration which could be the extra weight in the stern........ then the batteries may not have to be moved.

If the transom is having issues........ I would recheck and further inspect the stringers.
 

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Sounds like you have a good plan.

I would add these to my punch list ;)

Check flotation for water infiltration which could be the extra weight in the stern........ then the batteries may not have to be moved.

If the transom is having issues........ I would recheck and further inspect the stringers.

Thanks for the thoughts!

There is no flotation in this boat. Already checked for that. My opinion is this is good because iI don't have nasty foam to remove or trap water. I have found no info on whether the boat originally had foam and it was possibly removed at some point, but then again there is no evidence of it either.

A little foam is on top of the tank (between it and the baitwell) and will have to be removed. I think it was added to keep the tank down in place???

Stringers have been checked with the thump method and exploring drill holes. I was able to drill 1/2" from the ends at both top and bottom and they were sound. holes will be filled when deck goes on (thinking Ooops p-nut butter smushed in good). Since the main deck will not be removed this is a relief as it cuts down my work. Of course, the holes that were a pita to drill under there will also be a pita to fill, but i doubt they will be as bad as drilling.

Also of note is that as an inboard the transom is under much less stress than an I/O or O/B, which means that the job is a little easier since the structure is not so complicated. Just means at idle it maneuvers like a preggo whale.
 

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Welcome to iBoats! I assume to made holes in the deck to drill your exploratory holes in the stringers. Correct? You might consider, instead of filling those holes, install/make waterproof hatches. It sometimes is nice to have acces below decks, and or to have extra storage. Not sure of the actual space you have but something to consider.

I'm just sayin...:D
 

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Welcome to iBoats! I assume to made holes in the deck to drill your exploratory holes in the stringers. Correct? You might consider, instead of filling those holes, install/make waterproof hatches. It sometimes is nice to have acces below decks, and or to have extra storage. Not sure of the actual space you have but something to consider.

I'm just sayin...:D

Actually, I was able to not have to cut the main deck at all, as the engine hatch clear in the picture as the big doghouse in the middle), battery hatch, and a crappy other hatch with no purpose were plenty enough to get the drill around in that section. The forward deck areas were already rotted so I ripped them open, drilled, then covered with 1/4" PT ply I had floating around the garage so the wife and I could go fishing.;)

I am contemplating some storage options right now but not sure what exactly yet.
 

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Hello Doc..welcome to Iboats..

I would only warn one thing about exploritory on stringers.. Not Only do you have fill the hole with filler.. You really should grind and put a few layers of glass over those holes after you filled them.

Ill post a thread on this Now...

YD.
 

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Yeah... good point, I know I read that somewhere... probably here. Thanks!

I think I am getting the boat restore addiction... I crave beer and a grinder!
 

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Hey Docrodg and Wecome!!!! Re: Foam Floatation......Your Sportcraft did not have any because the safety regs. back then did not require "floatation" in boats over 23/24 feet in length or so.....so your's just made it by!!!!!
Don't understand the thinking behind it, but thats not the only thing in this world I don't !!!!! Keep up the good work and PICS!!!!! So many of us live vicariously thru
lucky guys like yourself.......Have 4 hulls awaiting "time & Money".....#4 is a 27' Sportcraft Convertable w/twin Sea Drives....Jst hope I live long enough to enjoy this one!!! (I'm 70)
Keep working....and POSTING PICS!!!!!!
Regards.....Jim...Hammond, La.
 

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Been wanting to get out and get some pics and do some other things on the boat but no joy... weather. Either raining or very windy. Wind would not be a problem except that I can't handle removing the tarp alone in high wind, and when wife was home to help it rained. Hoping today I can get to it.

Right now the tasks are:

Pics of areas of concern.

Building a tarp support in boat to keep snow off. We get about 10 feet of it each winter so want to keep it out of the hull to avoid stress on the dang thing.

Gather materials for the repair so all is ready when we get good weather.

Consider options for hull refinishing... paint or gelcoat? Bottom antifoul to use?

Layout of seating.
 

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Cool, they had some frames that are just what I was planning. My plan was 2x4 A-frames supporting a ridge to the windshield and another to the bow. With all the snow we get here I can't do PVC, it will bend and get really brittle from the cold. Got the wood, now for the weather to cooperate. Pics promised at that time.


Oh, and I am open for suggestions on the seating as I am not sure of what I want right now.
 

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Saw Horse brackets are easy for your frame but FYI PVC works fine and the rounded pipe does support the snow and does not break under the load.

Snow will slide off the tarp if you angle it enough. I live in an area where snow is always deep!

I have used PVC frames on a few and they were just pinned not glued so I just took them apart and stored them.

Along the windshield I would put some foam pipe insulation.
 

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Thanx BobVT and YD. I already have the 2x4 for the frames or I would rethink the pvc.

Every time I go to do something on the boat the weather turns against me or something else happens! I am about to give up and I have not even started!
 

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Update - pics

Update - pics

OK... finally had good weather when I had time to do something with the boat. So I have the tarp frame on, but before I did I got some pictures of what is ahead of me.


This is the largest problem area. The wood in front of the tank was just painted and rotted out. The rot also seems to be under the tank... How to remove this sucker?
docrodg


So this is under the tank... the area of major concern. As you can see there is rot. Also a beam athwartship that may or may not be ok. You can see the starboard exhaust thru-hull in the bottom for position reference. Water was weeping around the plywood at the thru-hull as well. And yes, the plywood was not treated by whoever did the work. In addition livewell above had no hose-clamps on the drains and looks like they leaked.
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Another pic of that stupid thru-hull job. The transom repair done was obviously carp. Love the wires pinched behind the wood. I already replaced that wire with a new run (stern light) just so we could go fishing before winter layup.
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The good news... This is the underside of the main deck. 1 inch marine ply and solid. Looks like PL used to put it on.
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At the rudder housing. No leaking in this area or wetness.
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Fore deck between the seats. Did not drain due to plugged limber. USB was painted and put over this spot by PO which rotted it faster. Small area for repair luckily.
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Fore-peak deck, much worse, but still a small area. Problem here was water-trapping carpet and plugged limbers not letting water drain, on top of a bilge with auto wire disconnected.
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And last but not least... I think I should get this to the prop-shop!
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So with the pics I have posted I figure deck repair, plus fixing support under fuel tank that is rotted, plus inner transom repair.

Knowns:

1. Plan on removing old transom wood from inside, keeping outer skin intact.
2. Will use poly resin and CSM/1708 on transom with some tape for tabbing at the sides - 3 layers.
3. Polysulfide sealant on all thru-hull fittings.
4. Deck poly with CSM and 1 layer 1708 followed by vail for top, CSM on bottom for waterproofing.
5. Prop repair and check shaft for run-out with dial indicator.

Questions:
1. Layup schedules etc. sound right?
2. Best way to get cap off - can I do a cut at rear so I can get the live-well off to get to whole transom? drawbacks to this?
3. Gel-coat bottom of deck for added waterproofing - worth it or just a waste of $$$?
4. What am I missing?

Finally... can I use this for the tow vehicle? :eek:
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LOL..I dont know about your Porsche..but Im sure Bobs 78' Bronco will work :) ( Hes gonna swear its a 79' but I know better I have the 78 too heheheh :) ).

Freewheeling envy bob ? lol

YD.
 
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