New Mercruiser 5.7 with oil/water mixing

Bigfoot0220

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Hi guys. A little background first:
2 years ago I Bought a 95 trophy with a 4.3 and Alpha one gen 2. Went out half a dozen times or so, and ended up seizing the motor. I replaced the motor myself with a Mercruiser 350 alpha 4v complete motor last spring and all seemed good. Ran it all summer and drained it for the winter.

Went to start it last week in my driveway for the first time this year, and it was starting very rough. I had to give it a lot of extra throttle to fire up, and keep it up to stay running. I noticed dark smoke coming from the prop/exhaust. After shutting it down and getting back on the ground, I noticed the ground was covered with black oil spots, which I assumed was gear oil that was leaking. Did a lot of internet research and it led me to removing the drive to pressure test. This morning, I removed the drive and found the exhaust bellows full of rubber parts, which I determined was the exhaust flappers after I got them out. I know the flappers were not missing from the old engine which was assumed to be the reason water got in and seized up the motor. I am not sure yet if these are the missing flaps or the ones I installed with the new motor. Assuming this was related to the current issue, I hooked up the hose to the water inlet and started it up again to see if the problem was solved. Started up quickly but then went straight back to the rough running and oil coming out of the exhaust.

Since I now know this was engine oil not drive oil, I shut it down. I extracted the oil and it was black (changed last week before initially starting) and there was a lot of water in it. Oil on dipstick still looked new. Ended up getting about 7 quarts out, when I only put about 5 in last week. Not milky at all, just very liquid and black. I also drained the water from the drain plugs, the thermostat and starboard manifolds drained oily black water but port manifold was clear. Im going to pull the plugs next to check for water, but they are impossible to see so I'm not sure I'll be able to tell if there's water in the cylinders.

From my quick searching, it sounds likely I have a head or gasket issue. Please tell me there could be a simpler explanation as to why water and oil are mixing. Next steps are also appreciated, I am not a mechanic and am at a total loss here and don't want to see all the money put into this go down the drain. Thank you.
 

Bt Doctur

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melted shutters are a sign of an overheat. Water and oil cannot come out the exaust unless the head is cracked. There is very litle oil coming past the umbrella seal on the valve so its not a likely suspect. or a cracked block.Heads are coming off for an inspection and let us know what you find Water in the oil from a head gasket
 

Bigfoot0220

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Ugh, that’s terrible. Now I’m really worried that the block is cracked, since there was never an overheat. Sounds like this is way out of my league regardless, so off to the shop it goes.

I pulled all the plugs and no water found. I looked with an inspection camera and couldn’t see anything in the cylinders.

Since it’s likely going to be weeks before it will be looked at, what should I do to limit any damage in the meantime?
 

Lou C

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If there was never an overheat, it is possible that the engine itself did not overheat but the exhaust was overheating. You said that there was water in the oil but it was not milky but black. Water in the oil makes it look coffee colored, not dark. You also said that you didn't have water in a cyl and no engine overheat so I'd replace the burnt up exhaust shutters and check your raw water flow to the exhaust system (thermostat housing ports, are they clogged) and the exhaust manifolds and elbows themselves for clogging in the cooling water ports. It is possible for the exhaust to overheat whereas the engine is not overheating. The rough running could have been melted flapper parts blocking the exhaust, causing excessive back pressure.
Is it possible that the engine did in fact overheat and you may not have noticed?
I had a bad overheat on mine and the block did not crack. Both heads had cracks in the center exhaust valve seat area, so I wound up replacing the cyl heads with a set of reman heads for my old 4.3 V6. At the same time upgraded to a center riser exhaust system.
 

Scott06

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How did u winterize? I would be worried for a cracked block intake water crossover, or exhaust manifolds
 

Searay205

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wait a minute. If he had an exhaust manifold rot through he can get water in the oil and it takes seconds with a hairline crack. I done it. My bet is on the backside of one of your exhaust manifold ports is a crack where you had hot exhaust gas on one side cool water on the other side. check your manifolds first. Everyone screams head gasket and usually that is not it. Seen it so many times people pull head and the problem is laying on the ground next to engine in the form of a bad manifold. When were your manifolds last replaced?????????
 

Scott06

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wait a minute. If he had an exhaust manifold rot through he can get water in the oil and it takes seconds with a hairline crack. I done it. My bet is on the backside of one of your exhaust manifold ports is a crack where you had hot exhaust gas on one side cool water on the other side. check your manifolds first. Everyone screams head gasket and usually that is not it. Seen it so many times people pull head and the problem is laying on the ground next to engine in the form of a bad manifold. When were your manifolds last replaced?????????
Looks like manifolds replaced last summer when he dropped in a complete motor.
 

Searay205

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I assumed 4V meant 4 barrel carburetor which led me to believe it was used motor.
 

Scott06

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I assumed 4V meant 4 barrel carburetor which led me to believe it was used motor.
It seemed tlike this is what he was talking about. Its a compolete remanufactured bobtail from Merc and yes it does have a 4 bbl carb. None of the reman engines use the 2 bbl for some reason.
 
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