New OMS pump, odd mix ratio

d.boat

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Hi: this is a 1990 low hours 200 HP V6.

I just replaced the original VRO2 fuel pump with a brand new, current OMS pump and updated the oil tank and all lines, pick up filter and pulse limiter. The old pump was working fine, but I decided that since I use this engine in remote places, I'd just go ahead and update the fuel pump and oil system.

It really was not a difficult job, very straight forward, and I used an OEM shop manual, proper fasteners, torque wrench when called for, etc.

All oil system hose connections are with the correct ratchet type clamps, and they all appear to be air tight. I purged the air out of the oil line and collected about 1/2 pint in a jar before I connected it to the fuel pump.

I've tested the "no oil" and "low oil" alarms and both work properly, sounding when appropriate, stopping when appropriate.

I marked the oil tank in 1 pint increments as I was filling it for the first time (from quart containers) and have been monitoring on that basis.

The engine is running perfectly: starts easy, idles smoothly, accelerates well and runs around 5800 RPM at wide open. No hot or fuel restriction alarms. It really is a nice running engine and I'm very happy with the way it runs.

The odd part is that the oil is mixing at about 80:1 running at 3/4 to full throttle. My understanding is that the OMS pump is supposed to be close to 50:1 at all RPM's. Over the past week or so, I've run about 20 gallons of the pre-mix gasoline and it's burned at most about 1 quart of oil.

The proportions cold actually be as low as 65:1 or as high as 100:1 because my measurements, while good, aren't perfect. I have built in 25 gallon rectangular tanks and have a marked dip stick to measure fuel level. I originally made the dipstick by filling an empty tank 5 gallons at a time and marking 5 gallon increments on the stick, and guestimate between marks. So, I really can't say it's more accurate than to the nearest 1 or 2 gallons. So fuel could be 18-22 gallons.

Oil is pretty close to a quart, but, again, could be an ounce or two more or less.

But it's not 50:1 or even close to that.

What's going on? What should I check?

Maybe I should just run another hour or so and see what the next 15-20 gallons brings?

Thanks.
 

rolmops

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Re: New OMS pump, odd mix ratio

Yes you should try another 20 gallons,but just to be on the safe side ,make it a 1:50 mixture that you put in the tank.It will not interfere with the OMS and the engine will run just fine,but it does eliminate the risk of running with too lean an oil/gas mixture,which can destroy your engine.
 

d.boat

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Re: New OMS pump, odd mix ratio

Yes you should try another 20 gallons,but just to be on the safe side ,make it a 1:50 mixture that you put in the tank.It will not interfere with the OMS and the engine will run just fine,but it does eliminate the risk of running with too lean an oil/gas mixture,which can destroy your engine.

Looks like I forgot to mention it - yes, I'm running 50:1 premix until I get this sorted out or see that the OMS is working properly. Thanks.
 

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Re: New OMS pump, odd mix ratio

A lot of folks will tell you the OMS will mix at a 60::1 ration. I tested my '98 Johnny 150HPV6, and it seemed to be about 60::1 as well.

I would stop using the marks on the tanks as a measurement. They are too inaccurate, I would think. Fill the oil and gas tanks. Run out 12 gal and refill both tanks. That should be as accurate as you can get.

BTW - Isn't there a oil pump output test in the OEM Manual? I seem to remember one. You set a particular RPM and collect oil from the pump for a specific time, and it should be of a specific volume. You might try this test.
 

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Re: New OMS pump, odd mix ratio

A lot of folks will tell you the OMS will mix at a 60::1 ration. I tested my '98 Johnny 150HPV6, and it seemed to be about 60::1 as well.

I would stop using the marks on the tanks as a measurement. They are too inaccurate, I would think. Fill the oil and gas tanks. Run out 12 gal and refill both tanks. That should be as accurate as you can get.

BTW - Isn't there a oil pump output test in the OEM Manual? I seem to remember one. You set a particular RPM and collect oil from the pump for a specific time, and it should be of a specific volume. You might try this test.

Thanks. Yes, there is a pump function test in the manual, but I was thinking that the "actual use" method would be best. I re-checked all the connections last night and re-purged the system carefully and will run it for an hour or two this evening.

If I was confident it was around 60:1 I wouldn't worry and wouldn't have posted. But this seems like 60:1 is "best case" rather than a good confident measurement.
 

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Re: New OMS pump, odd mix ratio

too much is much better than not enough.
 

d.boat

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Re: New OMS pump, odd mix ratio

I guess I've encountered a "possible" interesting OMS pump issue that the pros have never seen! I don't know if I should be happy about that. But the engine is running very well, so that's something.
 

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Re: Solution!? New OMS pump, odd mix ratio

Today I just did a very careful measurment of fuel and oil (boat perfectly level) and ran 14 gallons of gas through it. I burned 34- 35 ounces of oil (measured), therefore a mix rate of 50-55:1. CLOSE ENOUGH, especially what the spec of the pump, is 60:1 average, leaner at idle, richer at wot.

By the way, after today, I'm very confident that my earlier measurements were reasonably accurate and the odd mixture rate I got was accurate, probably closer to 100:1 than 50:1.

Why you ask did it change from the much higher ratio (too little oil/gallon)?

Today I looked at the oil tank installation. I thought: there's a lot of curves in that line in a short distance, I wonder if the oil flow would be restricted enough to "starve" the oil side without actually causing an alarm?

The line was about 4-5 feet long. None of the curves was really sharp, but it did a 90 upwards to the transom (~5 inch radius), then a similar 90 to run along the transom, then a big sweep 180 (12+ inch radius) to reverse direction to join the fuel line up to the engine.

I changed the tank installation to the other (starboard) side and made the run of the oil line as straight and smooth as possible. Re-checked all connections, re-purged.

I took it out and ran it 3/4 to full throttle for a little over an hour and got the above excellent results! I plan to run one more tank of 50:1, but am confident that I'm good to go.

So I think the lesson for posterity is that it appears that it is possible to rig the oil line in a way that the OMS/VRO pump is starved for oil, but not enough to sound the alarm. Just a reason to keep rough track of the burn ratio w/ every fuel and oil fill up.
 

d.boat

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Re: New OMS pump, odd mix ratio

If you haven't read this yet, it may help you understand the "VRO" system.

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/VRO.html

Yes, that's a great article. I've read it many times and re-read it when I was updating my system. But, I don't recall ever reading - in that article or in my service manual - any particular cautions about oil line installation. It appears that the oil line might be much more sensitive to bends and curves than the fuel line because the original way I had it installed would have worked just fine for fuel, but apparently it didn't for oil. I guess that might make sense since oil is more viscous (correct term?) and therefore might have more resistence within the tube as it bends around.

I wish I'd taken a photo of the original installation because I really didn't think it was ridiculously curved, but maybe more experienced guys would say it was obviously too much.

Anyway, that's what I'm thinking.
 

Chris1956

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Re: New OMS pump, odd mix ratio

The way I understand the function of the OMS System, it does not vary the oil-gas ratio at different motor speeds. Your results that suggest 100::1 ratio are likely inaccurate. In addition, I do not think a bend in the oil line will starve the motor of oil. A kinked oil line might deprive the motor of oil, however, I am not familar enough with the technology of the motion sensor, to judge it's accuracy to detect oil-vs-no oil indication.
 

rolmops

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Re: New OMS pump, odd mix ratio

Only one lousy air bubble sitting in the top of a loop of your oil line will make oil passage more difficult at the sort of vacuum suction system that OMS uses.
So yes,do keep your lines short and straight.
 
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