Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

jclute

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I have an opportunity to purchase a 1996 Force 75hp outboard for a reasonable price but am hearing a lot of negative talk about Force but no specifics. I have found several positive magazine reviews and owner comments but none that are negative. Can anyone provide specifics on why the newer (Mercury) Force engines are not a good choice?
 

RJS

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

John,<br /><br />I think Mercury has discontinued making Force engines. THe Merc carburated engines are now the old technology in Merc's line-up folowed by the EFI's. They are better engines than Force. The EFI Mercs are great and are a real bargain.
 

mike b.

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

Ive heard that the Force motors like good quality oil and high octane gas.Im about to buy a 97 120hp on a Trophy with 220 hrs from my supervisor and he hasnt had any problems in the 6 years hes owned it.Do a compression and lower unit check and go for it.
 

Hooty

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

The Force engines are maintenance sensative. They like lots of attention and will die with neglect.<br /><br />c/6<br /><br />Hooty
 

NathanY

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

Ran a force 15 hp for along time and regularly maintained and I had no problems what so ever. Any engine is good if properly cared for.
 

jclute

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

Thanks all for the advice.<br />When you say it needs more attention what do you mean?<br />From the research I have done the 1996 is almost all Mercury parts except for the head and Mercury has replaced/beefed up most of those parts also.<br />I hear the carbs carbonize more than most but not sure why. Maybe on the older Force engines???<br />I understand that Force doesn't have oil injection and that may account for some of these issues. Can anyone be more specific!
 

roscoe

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

First, do some searches on Force here at the top of the page. You will find many posts here. You will learn a lot about the engines. The newer ones are not as bad as the earlier ones were. <br /><br />The carbs don't carbonize. Carbon builds up in the engine because the engine is bases on older technology and burns dirtier than the competition. This can be alleviated by decarb ing the engine and cleaning the plugs, using the proper oil and fuel, and using a quality fuel additive and carbon preventer such as SEAFOAM . (great stuff) <br /><br />Oil injection has very little or nothing to do with it. Most motors under 40 hp don't have oil injection either, and most do not have the carbon problem unless used primarily for trolling.<br /><br />I run a 1995 70hp Force and have no major problems, but I perform the maintenance religiously. They can be had at bargain prices.<br />Have the engine checked out by a decent mechanic. This includes a warm engine Compression check , stator and electrical, carburaters, lower unit, wiring, power tilt and trim unit, everything else he can think of to check. You will pay for an hour plus of labor, but better to be out $60 than to buy an engine that needs $500 of new parts.<br /><br />All engines like good quality oil. Use a TCW-3 oil for watercooled outboards. They are engineered to burn completely at the engines operating temperature, and provide sufficient lubrication. <br /><br />Do not use high octane gasoline , Use what the manual calls for. All engines are engineered and designed to run differently, and you should follow what the manufacturer recommends. High octane gas works better in high compression engines, but can actually create problems if not recommended. No alcohol in your fuel either. It will eat some of the parts in your carbs. <br /><br />Now, go to the search button at the top of this page, and do a search on ALL the words that appear in bold face type. Then read read read, and make an informed decision.<br /><br />You will notice some of the same names keep showing up in the posts, and you will learn who gives the best advice here on thee best boating forum on the net. <br /><br />Oh yeah, Mercury doesn't make Force any more because it was to expensive to re-design them to meet the new EPA pollution guidelines. <br /><br />Force has its origin in the old West Bend engine company, which was bought by Chrysler, which was bought by USMarine, which was bought by Brunswick, which is the parent company of Mercury Marine.<br /><br />Good Luck.
 

roscoe

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

Ooops, forgot to ask, WHat kind of price is he asking for the motor?
 

steelespike

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

Some months ago Mercury anounced it would no longer produce parts to support Force motors.<br /> Sure parts are still available but why would you buy a motor with questionable performance<br />and reliability and !! a dwindling parts supply and no factory support.<br />NAPA auto parts marine products catalog has 87 pages of E/J parts going back to the 1950s and 71 pages of Merc?Mariner parts,even 30 pages of Yamaha parts but only 12<br /> pages of Force parts.<br /> Doesnt seem like a good move to me.
 
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DJ

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

roscoe,<br /><br />Very well done!
 

SlowlySinking

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

While Force engines are no longer made or factory supported there is a good supply of engine parts up to and including whole engines on eBay. A lot of these are being sold by boat yards so for the forseeable future there shouldn't be any parts problems.
 
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DJ

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John,<br /><br />If you are a maintenance fanatic, you can get good service out of them.<br />If you are a: "turn them off and leave them" kind of person, you'll be sorry.<br /><br />Your resale value will be low.
 

dmessy

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

Do yourself a favor and pass on buying that Force motor. I too have owned a 96 Force 75 HP and can not recommend them regardless of price. Parts are very hard to find now and will be virtually non existant in the future. Go with a true Mercury/Honda/Rude, whatever.
 

jclute

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

Thanks everyone especially "roscoe".<br /><br />They want $1000 for it. I will have it tested out before purchase.<br /><br />Actually, the search for Force at this site and others is what prompted me to ask the question. It appears that there are some people who bad mouth the brand but don't supply reasons why. I was trying to weed through the hype and find some actual experiences with the newer Force engines before buying.<br /><br />I do realize that some parts may be more difficult to find than E/J or Mercs but that is not a problem for me. I also understand that in the future 2-strokes may be outlawed, then I will go to a 4-stroke. Reason for not going to a 4-stroke now is due to their cost and their weight.<br />My boat is an older Glastron 14' JetFlite and I wish to get the most performance for the least expense and keep the weight down in the process.<br /><br />As far as resale value goes, I feel that not too long into the future, 2-strokes resale values will start dropping as the EPA/DEQ slowly puts the squeeze on these engines unless the manufacturers clean up their 2-stroke act. Classics may get an exception tho'!<br /><br />Thanks,<br />-jc
 

steelespike

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

Sorry to here that. Youre not getting the most for your buck. Your 75 will perform like a 70 or a 65. And when the problems start your down time will be extended looking for parts.<br /> I do wish you good luck.<br /> And enjoy your motor.
 

bp21

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Steels, djohns, and the boys know what they are talking about when it comes to these engines. I, too, wish you good luck on this one but I hope you are not counting on your Force becoming a classic in the future. The power head on that thing may be better used as a bird house if not taken care of properly.
 

my new fishmaster

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$1000 dont wait run and buy it heck I have been looking at outboards and they want bank for them. I think a 75hp force is valued at $2700 with controls.
 

steelespike

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There is a reason it is only 1,000 dollars.<br /> Ill admit my personal up close exposure to<br />Force motors is very limited.Three neighbors at camp. 2 ran fair but I saw them more than once trying to get their motors to run correctly.<br /> The third family saved for years to finally<br /> get a brand new real boat. These people had been<br /> running boats successfully for years.They struggled through one season and the Force was gone the next year.<br /> Probably could get a top of the line low milage Yugo to pull it with for another 1,000 dollars.
 

mike b.

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

Hey Roscoe what damage would 92-93 octane gas do?The original owner or the boat Im buying has been using it for 6yrs with no problems.I saw on the boat that it only needs 85+ octane.I dont really want to spend $ on 92-93octane but what would happen if I swithed now to 87?Motor is 97 120 hp Force with 220hrs.I just want to get 3 more good years out of it before going 4stroke or EFI/DFI.
 

wes doolittle

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Re: Newer Force outboards - are they OK?

The motor that you are asking about is a fine motor. It has high quality internal parts that will last you a long time. As long as the motor has the new style ignition system it will be fine. As always keep a good waterpump impeller in it and run the moter at least every 30 days. Easy enough
 
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