No Courtesy on the water.....

matt88

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Shouldnt there be general courtesy among boaters? I have a 73 imperial ski boat that I finally finished the restoration on this spring and I have turned every nut,fixed every problem it ever had. I have taken a lot of pride in the finished result and have a lot of members here to thank along the way for helping me. I have never had a break down on the water with it until tonight. It was due to me using the battery to work on my 65 mustang and sticking that battey back in the boat without giving it a good charge. I knew it was getting weak on my fishing trip tonight so I started fishing close to the dock just in case. Well as my luck would have it just in case actually happened and it didnt have enough juice to fire the motor. Luckily I was close enough to paddle in if no one was around but that was what really ticked me off. There was a bass boat about 200ft from me just watching I guess?!?! and and a big jet john at the dock getting ready to load it on the trailer. Both of these guys watched me paddle my heavy early 70s fiberglass skier about 125 yards. Now I didnt know these guys and they didnt owe me anything but what happened to me tonight could have happened to anybody! I know that I wouldnt have given it a second before I trolled over and offered a tow! So is it just me or shouldnt there be a little courtesy on the water? Next time it could be you!
 

TilliamWe

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

Actually, it is your duty to render assistance. But that doesn't mean you have to tow anybody.
 

matt88

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

Thats why I labeled this courtesy on the water and didnt label it duties as a citizen on the water. What are you saying exactly? Have you watched unfortunate boaters paddle by while you cast your line and say thats not your duty? I didnt say that I was drowning? Your battery can die just as easy as mine did,LOL! WoW! Seriously!? This is a joke,right? Didnt I say that these guys didnt owe me anything in my initial post and also label the thread COURTESY on the water? I know that I stated that twice this time so you wouldnt miss it,lol!
 

888

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

Thats why I labeled this courtesy on the water and didnt label it duties as a citizen on the water. What are you saying exactly? Have you watched unfortunate boaters paddle by while you cast your line and say thats not your duty? I didnt say that I was drowning? Your battery can die just as easy as mine did,LOL! WoW! Seriously!? This is a joke,right? Didnt I say that these guys didnt owe me anything in my initial post and also label the thread COURTESY on the water? I know that I stated that twice this time so you wouldnt miss it,lol!
You should've expected that kind of comment here when you posted. This place is full of 'em.
Anyhow back to your question,I would of offered you a cold drink, Found out your issues and helped anyway I could. In your case I would've left you use my 12v jump pack. Then I would've recommended having a jump pack on your boat next time. :)
 

roscoe

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

Relax guys.

I don't believe TilliamWE meant any offensive by his comment.
I surely didn't take it that way when I read it.

I think he was actually agreeing with you, and also stating that the onlooking boats actually had an obligation to check on you.

And yes, it would have been nice if someone would have tugged you to the launch area.
 

aspeck

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

Agree with Roscoe and 888. Most boaters I have been around would have helped one way or another also. Sorry you just had 2 close by that were not so courteous and helpful.
 

Bob_VT

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

If you were that close (125 yds) to the launch you probably (I would have) should have yelled out for a little help. In replation to where you boat 125 yds is very close as compared to a 1/2 mile or so.

I have offered help and been denied (waved off) maybe due to pride??? If you hang out in launch areas and watch....... many people are not fully prepared to be boating and you could spend allot of time as a rescue person.

Don't let that incident wreck your world ;) Make your repairs and have fun.
 

MH Hawker

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

well you sort of stated one of the problems ,,, a bass boat,,, and a jet boat,,,,,.
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

I can assure you that would have never happened around here. You are apparently in waters where there are lots of people who own boats, but few boaters.

I carry jumper cables as much for me as someone else (same goes in the car). And if you had cables, and a dead battery, and held them up and asked for a jump, you would have it--at least around here.
 

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

from another forum from a boating community:

<<<Long story short..
Had some problems with the motor on a friends boat today while out on the water. Only had one boat come close engough for us to try to get his attention. This guy turned his boat to come check on us and didnt hesitate when we asked if he could tow us back in. AWESOME!! He not only got us in near Bluewater/Sunset in Hampton, but drove me over to the ramp we launched from so I could get my truck and trailer. Tried to give him the little bit of cash I had on me and offered to fill his tank, but he wasn't having any of it. He just asked that if we ever see anyone in need out there, that we do the same as he did. Will do!! Can't tell you how much we appreciated his kindness!
I just want to tell you again, Tommy, if you're out there.. THANK YOU!!!
Bill >>>
 

jigngrub

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

I like to watch people paddle their dead boat, it's funny!:D

... not really. I offer to help anyone I see that even remotely looks like they may need help, I've been helped before and I sure did appreciate it.

You may want to consider getting a bow mount trolling motor for your boat if you fish out of it, you could've used the deep cycle battery to jump off the cranking battery (I've done this a number of times) or just trolled in.
 

pokman

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

I'm with you Matt88, around by me the boating community seems to be very dis-courteous. I to had a engine problem (bad primer bulb) and had myself and wife swimming the boat and my in laws paddling. Took about a hour into a decent wind, one boat was pulling a tuber and went by us just looking multiple times, and another boat was at the landing when when we got there and when I was getting my truck threw out a sarcastic "did you run out of gas to my father in law" wish I would have been there for that but he was pulling out when I pulled down to the landing. Between all the drunks and general disregard for others, boating in wisconsin has changed alot since I was younger. Off course this is just my 2 cents and I know there are a lot of great places to go in WI-just frustrates me.
 

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Two words . . . "Backup battery". Like another post has already said too many boaters float their rigs very unprepared.
I only have a 14 foot aluminum yet I always have a second battery in my upfront locker even when I don't have my troller onboard.

I have several backup accessories: extra battery, spare gas can, spare prop, two oars, tool kit, spare plugs, several distress signaling devices (reg flares and flare gun kit), auto inflating life preservers, reg life preservers, two throw pillows, two anchors with lines, cell phone and VHF, DSC and an 8 foot antenna.

I know what your saying about courtesy on the water but you also need to look at the situation from another boaters eyes.
Most of us too many times have seen old boats pull up to the ramp, get 1/2 way into the water, go to start it (for the first time in two years) and it won't start. Then they go about trying to repair it on the ramp while others are waiting to launch. What am I supposed to do pull my spare battery out and go help them???

Or they get it started drive a 100 yards and it conks out again. Am I supposed to hang around the launch making sure everyone gets away OK too?

In your situation, if you really needed assistance that's what holding up a simple distress flag is for or just yell over to another boater if they could give you a hand? In NY we have to carry one by law. If you were that close to the launch I'm sure you don't launch a flare :D. If you were 1/2 mile out I'm sure if you held up a flag or lit or shot up a flare there is "no one" reading this that wouldn't come over to help you out. But they would be pretty pissed if they rushed over and found you were out of gas or had a dead battery. Those are not emergency situations. But I'm not about to give up my spare gas can because a boater ran out of gas!
What am I supposed to do, go back to the launch myself now with my empty can and drive to a gas station, come back to my boat so I can enjoy the rest of my day on the water (what's left of it). Is that why I left at 7:00 AM to go boating that day? Sure if there were high winds, impending storm or lightning storms in the area I'd be going off the water myself anyway, so I'd gladly give up my spare tank and I'd never take any money for it either.

Same for towing. There would have to be dangerous conditions or their boat taking on water before I'd ever offer to tow.
Having a VHF we are required to have it on channel 16 and "on" while under way. We are required to offer help from a distress call and we are near by (if not required, it's at least the ethical thing to do). This is what a pon pon type radio call is, they are asking any boats in the vicinity to offer assistance.

These types of threads always start a battle of banter.

My take on helping others is that's what a $200 a year member ship in SeaTow is for. If one has an older boat or motor that would be my first investment. And only boat on bodies of water that offer towing services. Sure newer boats breakdown too but if one can afford a newer boat they can well afford a towing membership.

The best suggestion I've read when these help vs no help threads come up is that if someone is far away from their launch or port another boater should have the courtesy to pull up and at least see what their type of distress issue is. If they have others onboard, I'd offer to give them a ride back to the launch, I'd offer to radio for help. I don't tow with my rig. That's what my radio or cell phone is for. Cell phones comes in handy to call a marina if a VHF can't reach them, they can send a boat out.

We can't expect other boaters especially ones that are there for a pleasant day of fishing or only get to boat a few times a year on vacation to jump to other boaters assistance by spending the next several hours towing someone back to port especially since so many are ill prepared to be on the water in the first place, like probably 75% of the boats on the water on any given weekend IMO. How many carry a spare gas can, a radio etc, how many smaller rigs do you see with an antenna?

So in your beef above . . "shouldn't there be a general courtesy for others to offer help" my response to that is "shouldn't there be a general courtesy of boaters to come prepared for boating" if not just for the responsibility of your passengers as a captain (if anyone else was onboard) Next time just hold up a distress sign (usually says HELP in red letters) there is no one that would have not come over and at least offered to tow you in, but being you were rowing already (rowing that boat gives you great biceps :D) and never asked for help (and from what you said that you came unprepared for boating with a weak battery) I too would not have offered help unless you asked for it.
 

Boats-A-lots

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

Thats why I carry a flare gun.. If I ever have trouble on the water I'll shoot the first one up in the air.. If no one responds next one I shoot will be towards the boats close to me.. that will get their attention. (cheesy grin)

Times have changed a lot it seems. When I first started boating (20 years ago) people seemed more likely to help a stranded boater out. Also wouldn't toss a huge wake near you if your were anchored, or trolling. Nowadays, it's like they try and see if they can flip you over passing by so close at top seeds.
 

TilliamWe

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

Hey Matt, it's obvious by your second post that you do feel you are OWED something. Don't come back at me yelling about what you did and didn't say. I read what you posted. Courtesy has nothing to do with it. If you took offense at my post, that's obviously your problem. Not mine. Stated a Coast Guard Rule as a fact. Not trying to start something with a petulant crybaby.

MY POINT WAS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO IGNORED YOU WERE WRONG. But they didn't owe you a tow. They should have asked you if you needed help. But you probably would have gotten snippy with them, just like you did with me.

Have a nice time boating.
 

oldjeep

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We'd have come over to you to check it out, seem to tow in at least 1 boat a season. But did you actually try to wave any of them down so they would approach you? If you are not trying to attract their attention then you are not "asking" for help.
 

QC

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I don't care who you are, or what you have, victim or rescuer. It wouldn't have taken me 30 seconds to idle over and tow in a guy in that situation. Or offer a jump. In fact I think I'd prefer to tow, as it would probably be shorter time wise. It doesn't matter if he should've had a back-up battery or whatever. How would I know that?
 

JoLin

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Re: No Courtesy on the water.....

I have the same attitude Expidia does. My obligation/responsibility is to make sure you aren't in danger, and then offer to either help you or get you help depending on my own circumstances. I don't tow, either, but I'll call Seatow for you... though you should be able to do that for yourself.

Look, my wife works long, hard hours as I did before I retired. Nice boating days are a gift that we don't want to squander. Not to come down on you too hard, but your situation was one we run into all too often. You knew your battery was weak (or you knew you were running a little low on fuel, or you knew the motor wasn't running quite right, or you knew you were having electrical problems), but you decided to chance it. Your boat, your business... until you involve me in it. At that point, whatever assistance I offer is solely at my own discretion.

My .02
 

QC

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Our day is typically enhanced when we tow somebody else . . . Put's a smile on our faces to help. Of course there is a limit, but why can't those of you with a little harder approach recognize this scenario? How long, like really, how long would this inconvenience you? Same as running back to the truck for your cellphone? For flip's sake why can't we respond to the OPs scenario? 125 yards from the ramp? And why would anybody prefer to let some poor guy wait an hour for Sea Tow? He was PADDLING!!! Within view of the ramp!! If I was the OP and I had the Platinum Membership to Premium tow service from the Royal Flippin' Navy I would still paddle myself in, so Sea Tow doesn't even enter into this discussion. I would feel better about myself after I helped!! You can't even pay for that by wasting your money on a $50,000 Barbecue boat :facepalm:
 

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And let's not forget the fact that a "known" weak battery was installed in the boat. Oversights happen to be sure. But I tend to agree that help should have been rendered but then as close as the boats were, a simple request for help probably would have helped. Not everyone that is in distress looks like they are in distress. Many years ago I rounded the bend in the Mississippi River at Hastings, MN to see a boat go bow high a couple times. From a distance it appeared they were simply having an issue getting on plane. I continued to head toward them and noticed with each attempt the bow was getting higher and stern lower. NOW - it became apparent this a boater in distress. Long story shortened -- the transom gave way and the boat was going down. The boat sunk and a host of other boaters quickly arrived to help retrieve coolers, seat cushion and any other stuff that floated. Not knowing if the water was 15 or 150 feed deep there all I could do is let the bow line pass through my hand until the boat settled on the bottom. Other boaters took the people to shore. I could not budge the boat with my rig but a cruiser latched onto it and got it close enough to the ramp where a truck pulled in on shore. Long story but again -- distress doesn't always appear to be distress from a distance. Voice carries a long distance on the water. Shout if you need to.
 
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