No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

MassBassin

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Hey guys, I am not getting spark in my lower cylinder. I replaced the coil and still no spark. I then checked the voltage going to the powerpack and there is no voltage coming from the stator for the lower cylinder but the wires going to the upper cylinder have a voltage and the top cylinder is firing. Is it possible for the stator to be faulty. I find it odd that im getting spark in one cylinder but not the other. If it was bad I would expect neither cylinder to fire. I cleaned up all the contacts on the stator and that didnt help either. The motor is a 1980 evinrude 35hp electric start. If this info proves that I have a bad stator , does anyone have one laying around that you would be willing to sell?

thanks
Jason
 

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Re: No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

Hey guys, I am not getting spark in my lower cylinder. I replaced the coil and still no spark. I then checked the voltage going to the powerpack and there is no voltage coming from the stator for the lower cylinder but the wires going to the upper cylinder have a voltage and the top cylinder is firing. Is it possible for the stator to be faulty. I find it odd that im getting spark in one cylinder but not the other. If it was bad I would expect neither cylinder to fire. I cleaned up all the contacts on the stator and that didnt help either. The motor is a 1980 evinrude 35hp electric start. If this info proves that I have a bad stator , does anyone have one laying around that you would be willing to sell?

thanks
Jason

I'm sorry, but I don't follow your testing or methods. What are you using to check the voltages? And on what wires? The brown wires supply an AC voltage to BOTH cylinders, not just one or the other. Likewise on the black and white wires which trigger BOTH cylinders according to polarity. I don't see how it could be a bad stator.
 

MassBassin

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Re: No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

I am using a voltmeter. Between the two brown wires I am seeing a voltage when I crank the engine over (which appear to go to the top cylinder eventually. Between the black and white wires there is no voltage when i crank the motor over. I then did a continuity check between the white wire and and the coil to the lower cylinder and they are connected. The problem is before the power pack I Believe. Any other troubleshooting techniques? Thank you

Jason
 

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Re: No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

I am using a voltmeter. Between the two brown wires I am seeing a voltage when I crank the engine over (which appear to go to the top cylinder eventually. Between the black and white wires there is no voltage when i crank the motor over. I then did a continuity check between the white wire and and the coil to the lower cylinder and they are connected. The problem is before the power pack I Believe. Any other troubleshooting techniques? Thank you

Jason

If you expect to check it with a meter you need what is called a DVA meter pr a DVA adapter for a digital multimeter.

The other way to check it is just good old common sense and a knowledge of how it works.

The two brown wires come from the charge coils in the stator. "Charge" refers to charging the power pack, not charging the battery. They provide an AC voltage of around 300 volts, which is rectified to DC and stored in a capacitor in the power pack. So it is obvious that if it charges the capacitor for one cylinder it is also charging the capacitor for the other cylinder because both cylinders use the same capacitor.

The black and white wires come from the sensor that tells the power pack when to fire. The sensor generates a weak voltage between the two wires. Every half turn of the flywheel, a voltage is generated as magnets in the flywheel go past the sensor. The only thing that makes the power pack "know" which coil to fire is the voltage from the sensor reverses in polarity for every half turn of the flywheel. So again, if it is generating +/- on one half turn, it has to be generating -/+ on the other half turn. There is just no way it can do one and not the other. Well unless something happened to one of the magnets in the flywheel, which is unlikely.

The power pack contains the capacitor and two SCR's. SCR's are switching devices. They are switched on and off by the sensor voltage. The two SCR's are switched by opposite polarity. So, when one of them "see's" a (+) voltage from the sensor, it turns on. Likewise, when the other one "see's" a (-) voltage, it turns on. As the two SCR's turn on and off they discharge the cpacitor to it's respective coil. In between discharges, the capacitor is recharged by the charge coils as already explained. Hence, the term "CD" ignition.

So, with all that explanation, if you have spark on one cylinder and not the other, you have a bad coil or a bad SCR within the power pack. Take your pick.

Whew! That's enough typing for one day.
 

MassBassin

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Re: No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

Wow! thanks for taking the time to explain that to me. I actually just graduated with my Electrical Engineering degree so that actually makes perfect sense! I am sure the coil is good. I also cleaned up all the contacts on the stator and on the magnets on the flywheel and still no spark in that bottom cylinder. I guess the next step is to buy the powerpack. Thanks for all your help I really appreciate it.

Jason
 

MassBassin

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Re: No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

Hey Guys,
So I went and bought a new powerpack. I installed it and it appeared to fix the problem. I was getting spark in both cylinders. So I brought the motor back on the boat at the pond and fired it up. It was running really rough and reving high.(prob another issue). So i pulled the plugs and then checked for spark and I am once again not getting spark in the lower cylinder! What could cause the powerpack to fail and not deliver spark to the bottom cylinder? Something is breaking the powerpack! It is atleast consistant both powerpacks that got damaged dont deliver spark to the lower cylinder. Please help!

Thanks

Jason
 

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Re: No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

Hey Guys,
So I went and bought a new powerpack. I installed it and it appeared to fix the problem. I was getting spark in both cylinders. So I brought the motor back on the boat at the pond and fired it up. It was running really rough and reving high.(prob another issue). So i pulled the plugs and then checked for spark and I am once again not getting spark in the lower cylinder! What could cause the powerpack to fail and not deliver spark to the bottom cylinder? Something is breaking the powerpack! It is atleast consistant both powerpacks that got damaged dont deliver spark to the lower cylinder. Please help!

Thanks

Jason

Beats the heck out of me. Never experienced that.
 

petryshyn

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Re: No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

check for continuity from the charge coil and the trigger coil to ground. A short to ground could cause this...
 

MassBassin

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Re: No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

Im not quite sure by what you mean by charge coil and trigger coil. please explain.

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Jason
 

petryshyn

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Re: No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

the charge coil and trigger (sensor) coils are are the two windings which supply the CD pack. F_R says the 2 brown are charge, and the black and white are the trigger. Isolate these wires from the cd pack and check for continuity to ground. There should be none
 

MassBassin

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Re: No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

hey guys I did like you suggested and did a continuity check on all of those wires and none of them were shorted to gnd. I left the motor for a few days and went back and tried it again. I once again had spark in both cylinders. I then installed the plug in the cylinder and started it up only to realize that my spark is once again gone in the lower cylinder! this is getting rediculous :-(
 

DGartzos

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Re: No Spark in Lower Cylinder.. please help

It is possible your charge coils are shorting when engine runs or at certain rotation angle.

Recheck for shortage turning your flywheel ...

Also grab your flywhell with both hands to observe vertical and horizontal free play at cetrain angles ... It may be vibrating and shorting when engine runs ...
 
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