Noise, then Smoke.. Help, please.

hibbert6

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We arrived at the lake yesterday. The 65hp Merc fired right up and we spent the afternoon tubing.

This morning, after tubing for 10 minutes or so, I ran out of gas in tank #1. I switched to tank 2, which I had filled yesterday with oil & gas. We started out again. After 5 minutes or so, at full throttle and load, I felt a vibration through the hull. About 15 seconds later, I heard a rattle, or some sort of metallic (I think) sound coming from the motor, and my spotter heard it too. (No loss of power, though.) Right then, smoke began coming out from under the engine cover, on the (boat's) left side. I shut down immediately. The smoking stopped. While I couldn't be sure, the smell seemed more "synthetic" than exhaust-like.

We brought the tubers in and I attempted to remove the engine cover from inside the boat, but felt a knife-like pain in my back. Tore that muscle, once again. After getting into a position where I could sit without pain, I re-attached the cover (never got it off) and restarted the engine. Ran fine. As I gave it more gas, though, the smoking began again. I shut down, let it cool, then restarted and "putted" in. At 5mph, we could get about 150yds before the smoking started. Stop, cool down, restart and putt. Didn't hear any more funny sounds or feel vibration again, though we were traveling at much lower RPM's.

I figured that maybe a wire had fallen out of a bundle and was resting against a hot part of the engine; thus the smoke, and the smell.

The only other thing I ought to mention is that we were having terrible weed problems (on the way back in from tubing, despite- or maybe because of- the slow speed.)The tell-tale was always going full blast, so I don't think the weeds were clogging the intake. But we did have to stop several times to pull weeds from the outdrive and, once, from a prop blade.

This afternoon my nephew and I got the boat turned around to the dock. Took the cover off. No wires like that, anywhere. No sign of anything burned. Started the motor and, after a minute or so, some smoke began to appear. I couldn't determine from where it comes, but it smells like exhaust.


Any ideas on where I should begin looking? HELP, please!

Dave
 

Wingedwheel

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Re: Noise, then Smoke.. Help, please.

Normally a vibration could mean several things. If your smoking you might have a bearing going out. Just my thoughts.
 

hibbert6

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Re: Noise, then Smoke.. Help, please.

Talked to a shop today. They want to do a compression test (I'd do it myself if I were home!) plus whatever else they can determine during the remainder of the one-hour minimum shop labor charge.

Does this sound like a good way to go?

Or, should I tow the boat home (200 mi) & do the comp test myself? Does it sound like the right diagnostic for my problem? The boat ran fine today as I took it to the ramp (1/4 mile) to trailer it, though I putted along at about half throttle. Didn't hear anything funny, nor did I see smoke eminating from the motor.

There is a pair of oblong holes (1/2" x 1"?) at the top of the shaft, just under the engine cover. What are these for? They were a bit greasy.

Dave
 

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Re: Noise, then Smoke.. Help, please.

Talked to a shop today. They want to do a compression test (I'd do it myself if I were home!) plus whatever else they can determine during the remainder of the one-hour minimum shop labor charge.

Does this sound like a good way to go?

Or, should I tow the boat home (200 mi) & do the comp test myself? Does it sound like the right diagnostic for my problem? The boat ran fine today as I took it to the ramp (1/4 mile) to trailer it, though I putted along at about half throttle. Didn't hear anything funny, nor did I see smoke eminating from the motor.

There is a pair of oblong holes (1/2" x 1"?) at the top of the shaft, just under the engine cover. What are these for? They were a bit greasy.

Dave

If it were mine, I'd run my own compression test. It ain't rocket science. You can buy the gauge if you don't have one, and still come out less than shop charge.

If it were mine, I'd pull the flywheel (another tool) and take a look at the underside of it and the stator. I wonder if a magnet or 2 came loose. It also gets you a look at the drive shaft exiting the block, and you can check for excessive runout. (play)

my 02
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Re: Noise, then Smoke.. Help, please.

Y'know John, your thoughts on the flywheel make sense to the vibration. I'm just wondering about the smoking with no loss of power unless there was something rubbing under the flywheel. If a magnet came loose wouldn't that affect the charging system?
 

Faztbullet

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Re: Noise, then Smoke.. Help, please.

Is this a 3 or 4 cylinder 65? If a 3 cyl the poppet valve could be stuck open(debris) causing a low speed overheat....
 

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Re: Noise, then Smoke.. Help, please.

Y'know John, your thoughts on the flywheel make sense to the vibration. I'm just wondering about the smoking with no loss of power unless there was something rubbing under the flywheel. If a magnet came loose wouldn't that affect the charging system?

Sometimes they do, sometimes not.

Smoke with no visible damage is a puzzler. You'd think an overheat enough to make things noisy would do some damage internally.

Definitely time to look under the flywheel, check the cooling system, look into the holes with a borescope, maybe do some backlash checks while the plugs are out.
 

Faztbullet

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Re: Noise, then Smoke.. Help, please.

You'd think an overheat enough to make things noisy would do some damage internally.

Them lil 3 cylinders are pretty tough, they can get hot and pistons will sound like their about to swap holes but will only scuff piston skirts a tad.. Back years ago when we drag raced to ole T2 motors we had a spring operated dump valve that redirected water so powerhead ran hotter to make a lil more "umph"
 

j_martin

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Re: Noise, then Smoke.. Help, please.

Them lil 3 cylinders are pretty tough, they can get hot and pistons will sound like their about to swap holes but will only scuff piston skirts a tad.. Back years ago when we drag raced to ole T2 motors we had a spring operated dump valve that redirected water so powerhead ran hotter to make a lil more "umph"

And overheat would drive a little vinyl chloride, which is pretty stinky, off the wiring insulation.

So change the order of operations. :D

Check the cooling system
Look under the flywheel
borescope
backlash
 
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