Not supposed to shift OB into reverse when not running?

ajgraz

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Maybe common knowledge, but news to me...

Is it true you are not supposed to shift an OB into reverse when it is not running?

(On a related note, is this maybe why the "nubbin" on the cam that moves the shift lever in my MerControl is all worn away?)
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: Not supposed to shift OB into reverse when not running?

never heard that; never saw any adverse consequences on the few occassions I've done it.
 

Silvertip

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Re: Not supposed to shift OB into reverse when not running?

You should not shift into either forward or reverse without the engine running. Just like a stick shift car, sometimes the gears will not mesh. In the case of an outboard or I/O the clutch dogs may not mesh. If you MUST shift the unit with the engine OFF, have someone turn the prop by hand while you move the lever.
 

ajgraz

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Re: Not supposed to shift OB into reverse when not running?

I ask this because my shifting disappeared on my last outing (made for some fun docking and trailering! Luckily it got "stuck" in forward and the throttle still worked). I had noticed that shifting into reverse had become progressively more challenging prior to this.

I was investigating over the weekend, and while the control box was open I noticed the cam was worn completely away at that little nub that pushes the shift lever. While perusing the SELOC I noted it gave some instruction to rotate the prop shaft by hand if shifting into reverse while doing cable install/maintenance. While doing that I noted that in some prop shaft positions, the shifter would not go into reverse, where with just a slight rotation of the prop shaft it would. I surmise that this is because of the way the drive gear meshes with the reverse gear? (I am no LU expert)

Then I Googled and found some Merc manuals that also state "only shift into reverse when the motor is running"

So I figure that what happens is that when running, the driveshaft starts moving the propshaft when going onto reverse, allowing it to mesh properly; but when not running, the "crowns" of the gear teeth may hit each other and cause it not to mesh and therefore not be able to go into reverse. So by forcing it into reverse while not running, I eventually wore away my control box cam.

Sound plausible?

EDIT: was typing while Silvertip replied. Learn something new every day. Shifting to forward still seems OK...gotta do it in fact to release the reverse lock. But after installing a new control box cam, looks like I will not be shifting into reverse when not running anymore.
 

ajgraz

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Re: Not supposed to shift OB into reverse when not running?

Surprised there has not been more chime-in on this topic.

This is something that is apparently quite important since the health of your control box (and maybe your control cable and LU gears?) could depend upon it, and yet some experienced boaters here and elsewhere did not know it? (Called my Pops, Bro's and Uncle back on the Chesapeake, all also lifelong boaters, and they didn't know about it either)
 

TOHATSU GURU

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Re: Not supposed to shift OB into reverse when not running?

There really isn't anything to chime about. Silvertip explained it. It's not an opinion thing.
 

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Re: Not supposed to shift OB into reverse when not running?

so what do you do with those old turtle-back 9's that you have to shift into gear to release the tilt?

Does this "rule" apply to all size motors or just the big ones?

Maybe it's not "an opinion thing" but the better information is whether you risk destroying your motor if you do it once, or if it's just generally not a good idea if you can avoid it. I think of all the hundreds of times I've shifted a motor while adjusting the shift cable, lubing, checking over, etc. with no "apparent" harm. I can't reach from my controls to my prop.
 

Daver29

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Re: Not supposed to shift OB into reverse when not running?

You have to shift into forward to remove the out drive... none of the manuals speak to doing this with the engine running!!?!?

*** SORRY, didn't notice I was in the outboard section! Disregard!**
 

Chris1956

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Re: Not supposed to shift OB into reverse when not running?

Shifting into forward on a mechanical shift motor is not an issue on Mercs and Mercruiser. The clutch dog is spring loaded and if the dog doesn't mesh with the fwd gear it is no big deal. Shifting into reverse means the steel shift rod pushes the clutch dog rearward. if the dog and rev gear doesn't mesh, there is a lot of strain on the shift rod, cable and control.

I do not know enough about the Johnnyrude mechanical shift motors nor the electric shift motors, to advise on them.
 

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Re: Not supposed to shift OB into reverse when not running?

Some motors are like the one just described, some are not. Bottom line is if it doesn't "fit", don't jam it.

I seriously doubt that is the real reason the control in the original question is worn out. It is worn out because it is worn out---from a whole lot of "normal" shifting.
 

TOHATSU GURU

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Re: Not supposed to shift OB into reverse when not running?

Yes, it applies to all engines, big or small.
 
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