Not Turning Over, Low Compression, Mercruiser 3.0

ronaldreagan

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My 2003 Mercruisrer 3.0 (4 cyl.) would crank but not run. I checked the for spark, fuel, and compression. It's getting fuel and spark (although I don't know how string the spark is). The cylinder compression reads 70psi (cyl 1), 45psi (cyl 2), 30psi (cyl 3), 50psi (cyl 3). The engine has 130 hrs on it and I haven't started it for 5 months. The plugs were rusted at the end when I went to change them, all four cylinders. The only thing that almost started the engine was when I put in the new plugs. Something tells me, I need a new engine or I'm not diagnosing this properly... Any advice?
 

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Squirt some oil in the cylinders and retest your compression.

Is the motor turning over fast or is your batter tired and connections bad causing low crank speeds?
 

ronaldreagan

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Thanks for the quick response. Those compression values are with a little oil added to the cylinders. It cranks strong. I had fully charged the battery, checked connection also.
 

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If those are your compression numbers, your motor suffered some horrendous event that killed it.

Compression should be about 150 per cylinder

Motor should live to about 3000 or 4000 hours

Rust on plugs says water in motor which most likely damaged your bores

is this a salt water boat? Fresh water boat? Nee to you boat? How did you winterize?
 

ronaldreagan

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It's a salt water boat that I trailer, it's not docked or left in the water. I have owned it for 5 years and it ran great all five until now. Standard maintenance. Oil change, filter, new plugs every season. Stabilized fuel and fogged and drained at end of every season except last season since it wouldn't start.

Maybe water got in at the end of last season and sat there and ruined the cylinders? With these compression values would it cause it to not turn over at all? When trying to start it sounds the same whether the coil is plugged into the distrutor or not.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is that it wouldn't start at the end of last season the way it doesn't start now....

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it wouldn't start at the end of last season the way it doesn't start now.

I'm scratching my head with this statement

If water got into the cylinders at the end of last season and sat all winter, the rings and cylinder walls would be damaged, maybe a valve or two
 

ronaldreagan

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Yes, I can see how that would cause damage. Would it still turn over with compression this low? I'm thinking that there is another underlying problem causing it to not turn over. Are there any other diagnostic tests that I can do?
 

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Tell us more - from the last time it DID run.... and the events surrounding the first failed attempt to start... MANY years ago, a friend with a 3.0 went out - boat started and ran great (or so he says) most of the day. They shut down the motor and had lunch for an hour or two while on the water... then went to start the motor... it was, as they described, "hard to turn over" - started was struggling to rotate the motor - and it never started. What had happened was, during their lunch break, due to a failed riser water was sucked into the cylinders, hydralocking the engine, and destroying the rings/valves during the attempt to start it.
 

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Those compression values are with a little oil added to the cylinders

The motors finished , rust indicates moisture and an engine with zero compression turns over even faster
 

ronaldreagan

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I had taken the boat out in September '17, it ran fine just like every other time. Three weeks or so later I trailered back to the ramp, put it in the water and it wouldn't start. When cranking it, it was strong until the battery became weak but would not start.

When I got home I put the battery on the charger. Days later with a charged battery, I tried again with starting fluid. It wouldn't start. In an attempt to winterize, I added fuel stabilizer cranked it to run stabilized fuel through the carb also sprayed in fogging oil and drained the manifold.

It never seemed to struggle when cranking, not even in May '18.

Also, it has the EST ingnition incase that helps.

Another point, the oil doesn't look cloudy if that adds anything to this.

I'm hoping if I get it to start, may be valves would seat better after a few minutes of running and give me more compression. Although, that might be wishful thinking and may be not how this type of thing works...
 

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Openning the valve cover and checking for open valves is a good suggestion. Assuming you have spark/fuel ( which you already checked).... Moreover, you sprayed starting fluid... Most likely your compression issue is what is keeping it from starting, and stuck valve/valves are a strong suspect.
 

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In an attempt to winterize, I added fuel stabilizer cranked it to run stabilized fuel through the carb also sprayed in fogging oil and drained the manifold.

Does your engine have the single point drain system or petcocks/plugs? Did the engine block get drained?

What area of the country are you in?
 

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1. How do you KNOW it's getting fuel? Cracking the throttle plates open and seeing a wet manifold doesn't mean you're getting the proper amount of fuel. The engine could easily be flooded with fuel, or in the worst case, water from the bottom of your fuel tank (STABIL won't stop condensation in a non-full tank over the seasons). Install a starter button or have an assistant crank it while you look in the carb to see what's going on, and run it off a separate container of fresh gas. Be careful because if it does try to light off and it's on a lean condition it'll backfire through the carb, do don't hover with your face right in there. Have the assistant pump the throttle and verify two solid streams of fuel coming from the venturi cluster. If after during or after cranking you can see fuel anywhere the carb is likely flooding the engine. The idle circuit delivers fuel under the plates so you will not see fuel while at idle.

2. Were the spark plugs rusty on the tips, where the electrode is, or up near where they meet the head on the outside of the engine? It's pretty common to have rusty plugs after a season on the outside; never common to have rust past the threads on the inside. That would indicate water intrusion, likely from a failed riser or gasket. I'm dealing with the consequences of just that right now, but it happened at the beginning of this season and we caught it before it did any lasting damage. If yours sat with water in it, that's not good. The oil of course would not look milky. It's had five months for the water to drip past the rings and go down into the bottom of the pan. They wouldn't mix until you cranked it for a LONG time or the engine ran. Drain some from the bottom. If there's water, you have your smoking gun.

3. Verify your compression tester works correctly. How many cranks is it taking before you stop cranking the engine?

4. It could be you just need a head rebuild or a new head. My engine didn't hydrolock when it got some water in from the exhaust valves. I did discover that it needed a valve job regardless so I pulled the head and did all that (plus a port and polish). You wouldn't know that until you pull the head and at this point it wouldn't be a bad idea.

What my engine ended up needing, total, when it hadn't sat all winter: New riser, SHOULD have bought a new manifold but I ran out of cash, head surface decked .010", valve seats ground, new valve seals, head and manifold gaskets and new manifold drain. I also had to rebuild my carb as it was fully clogged up with salt-like deposits.
 

ronaldreagan

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1. How do you KNOW it's getting fuel? Cracking the throttle plates open and seeing a wet manifold doesn't mean you're getting the proper amount of fuel. The engine could easily be flooded with fuel, or in the worst case, water from the bottom of your fuel tank (STABIL won't stop condensation in a non-full tank over the seasons). Install a starter button or have an assistant crank it while you look in the carb to see what's going on, and run it off a separate container of fresh gas. Be careful because if it does try to light off and it's on a lean condition it'll backfire through the carb, do don't hover with your face right in there. Have the assistant pump the throttle and verify two solid streams of fuel coming from the venturi cluster. If after during or after cranking you can see fuel anywhere the carb is likely flooding the engine. The idle circuit delivers fuel under the plates so you will not see fuel while at idle.

2. Were the spark plugs rusty on the tips, where the electrode is, or up near where they meet the head on the outside of the engine? It's pretty common to have rusty plugs after a season on the outside; never common to have rust past the threads on the inside. That would indicate water intrusion, likely from a failed riser or gasket. I'm dealing with the consequences of just that right now, but it happened at the beginning of this season and we caught it before it did any lasting damage. If yours sat with water in it, that's not good. The oil of course would not look milky. It's had five months for the water to drip past the rings and go down into the bottom of the pan. They wouldn't mix until you cranked it for a LONG time or the engine ran. Drain some from the bottom. If there's water, you have your smoking gun.

3. Verify your compression tester works correctly. How many cranks is it taking before you stop cranking the engine?

4. It could be you just need a head rebuild or a new head. My engine didn't hydrolock when it got some water in from the exhaust valves. I did discover that it needed a valve job regardless so I pulled the head and did all that (plus a port and polish). You wouldn't know that until you pull the head and at this point it wouldn't be a bad idea.

What my engine ended up needing, total, when it hadn't sat all winter: New riser, SHOULD have bought a new manifold but I ran out of cash, head surface decked .010", valve seats ground, new valve seals, head and manifold gaskets and new manifold drain. I also had to rebuild my carb as it was fully clogged up with salt-like deposits.

Thanks for the detailed response. I looked in the throttle body when the throttle lever was pushed, gas came out. When cranking with a plug out, the vented fumes smelled like gas. Spraying starter fluid in the carb while cranking didn't make a difference.

Yes, the spark plugs were rusty on the tips (the end that is in the cylinder). Suspecting that there was water intrusion some how. They never looked this way the other years.

I kept cranking it until the pressure gauge stayed at the same value to get the compression value. It took about 3 or 4 cylinder cycles.

I'd like to get to the point where the engine starts or I see some progress that points at a root cause so that I can gauge if the repair is above my experiance level. All the suggestions are helpful, I'll keep plugging away and hope to see some progress. Right now the valve cover is stuck on there pretty good, all the bolts are removed and I can't pry at it, it'll bend.....
 
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I'd like to get to the point where the engine starts or I see some progress that points at a root cause.

Ayuh,..... A motor won't run with compression under 100 psi per cylinder,..... Just Won't Happen,.... Period,.....

If the valves are rusted in position, ya pull the head, bring it to a Machine Shop, 'n have them rebuild it,.....
 

ronaldreagan

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Pull the valve cover, crank it and see if the valves are rusted open.

I pulled the valve cover and all valves are moving freely. I also drained the oil to see what it looked like and it was sludge and milky. There was a while back when the water pump went that the engine over heated. An exhaust flap had been ruined that I never replaced. I'm wondering is water got in when I put the boat in the ramp then would not start. Then water in the oil is preventing the engine from turning over. I added a few drops of oil and immediately repeated the compression test on the lowest cylinder it came out to 90 psi instead of 30 psi initially.

Any chance this is a case of sludgy water contaminated oil that's preventing the engine from starting?
 
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