Oil fual ratio 1958 35 super sea horse

jaywalla

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This is an old motor so i imagine it will use more oil then 50:1. Anyone know about what kind of ratio would work best for this old motor?
 

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Re: Oil fual ratio 1958 35 super sea horse

i was told it was 50:1 by some and 25:1 by others. i think from reading other posts it should be 24:1. Does this sound right?
 

pgdignan

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Re: Oil fual ratio 1958 35 super sea horse

I'm running a late 50's 5.5hp and haven't had any problems running somewhere in the neighborhood of 35:1. I don't think I'd lean it out to 50:1 your probably asking for trouble.
 
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Fuel mix is 24:1 as I understand it these motors use friction bearings in the piston pin.Therefore 50:1 is not recommended.
 

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It is supposed to be 24:1. It does not have any friction bearings, but do whatever you want to do, it's your motor. It is supposed to be 24:1. There I said it again.
 
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I'm running a late 50's 5.5hp and haven't had any problems running somewhere in the neighborhood of 35:1. I don't think I'd lean it out to 50:1 your probably asking for trouble.

You may be taking your motors life in your hands.It is all friction bearings.
I would be really careful running that lean.If you mostly troll then you're
probably safe but if you run wot you could be getting premature wear.
If you adjust your high and low speed too lean you have no cushion for error.
 

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Re: Oil fual ratio 1958 35 super sea horse

i have the same motor. 24:1 is the only way to go.
 

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Re: Oil fual ratio 1958 35 super sea horse

WRONG! The SUPER Sea Horse has alllllllll needle bearings and single-hose fuel tank. 50:1 is just fine, but 32:1 would not offend me. Just use J6Cs if you go thicker than 50:1. There were two 1958 35s. The other one would need thicker mix for sure and still used the 2-hose pressure tank. Another way to tell, the Super has skirting around the leg, the other model doesn't. I'd have no qualms about using 32:1 in the other model either.
 

jaywalla

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Re: Oil fual ratio 1958 35 super sea horse

Sounds like i am safe running in the range of 24:1 - 32:1.
 

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The 1958 Sea Horse and Super Sea Horse both call for 24:1 fuel mix and J4C plugs gapped at .030".

That is what OMC, the company that designed and built them, said. Their word is good enough for me.
 

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All 1958 35hp Johnsons have 100% anti-friction needle and roller bearings, Standard models or Super. And they both are supposed to drink 24:1. If you decide you want to run leaner, that's your decision. I'm not going to give advice on that. If you run 50:1 and the thing siezes you would come back blaming me for saying it's ok...no matter what the real reason for siezing. You decide for yourself.
 

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Yes, it originally called for 24:1. That was 1958. Before something called BIA certified oils (now TCW). In the 1960s they started making dedicated outboard motor oil. Before that you dumped a quart of regular automotive motor oil in a six gallon tank of gas and smoked-out everybody on the lake, not to mention the sheen of unburned oil in your wake and piles of fouled sparkplugs in your tool box. But once the new outboard oil was introduced, OMC put out a bulletin proclaiming that 50:1 was perfectly acceptable for outboards that had all needle bearings in the powerhead, retroactive to the earliest such models. Your 1958 is the first in that line. The 1959 was virtually identical except for the hood design which frankly was a significant improvement. (Sorry, but the 1958 hood was a design only the engineer's mother could love. ;)) In 1959 they started calling them Super Quiet instead of Super Sea Horse, and in 1960 the bore increased and they became 40Hp.

But putting all that aside, let's consider it's age. A little extra oil can't hurt. That's why I say 32:1 is just fine. But I definately feel that 24:1 is not only overkill, I say it's downright harmful. IMHO. :)

Whatever you decide to mix at, I strongly advise an annual decarboning treatment, two treatments the first year. There is a procedure in the FAQs, or you can buy Power Tune from a Johnson/Evinrude dealer. The carbon that's already packed in your ring grooves from all the years it ran on leaded gas and gobs of oil is a ticking time bomb.
 

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Quote: "The carbon that's already packed in your ring grooves from all the years it ran on leaded gas and gobs of oil is a ticking time bomb."

Yes, that and plus a possible water intrusion somewhere and the dang time bomb blows up. And the guy says that @%$&** WillyB said it is ok to run less oil. Even though that wasn't the real cause. That's why I say be informed, but make your own decision.
 

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WillyB, the red and white metal '58 Johnson hoods are the best looking years they made. I'll agree that the white and gold Super was not the best looker around though!

And in '59 they went to fibreglass... Can one spell ugly...
 

pgdignan

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Re: Oil fual ratio 1958 35 super sea horse

Looks like a battle of the big guns on the subject of lubrication, I decided to use the approx. 35-1 by just splitting the baby. Assuming when the engine was made that they didn't have decent 2 stroke oil and that at 24:1 the smoke would likely be incredible, I figured the more advanced oil would permit me to cut back slightly on the amount. Certainly not scientific but I don't know how long it would take before I'd have a meltdown if I'm not using enough. Cetainly don't want to contradict TAD (his advice helped get the motor resurrected in the first place.) :D
 

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You can also use fully synthetic TCW3 oil to cut down on the smoke and oil residue on the water. They also say it's biodegradable. I got mine @ Walmart and it's Penzoil, was about $23 for a US gallon.
 

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Well, there I agree. The 100% synthetic is all I use. The smoke and slick claims are true. I never have hung around long enough to see if it bio-degrades.
 

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I like the synthetic too. At 24:1 it barely smokes and doesn't leave any sheen. My 1988 30hp smokes more with conventional oil at 50:1.
 

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Re: Oil fual ratio 1958 35 super sea horse

I was asking about this at a dealer today pertaining to my 1959 Johson Super Sea Horse 50HP V-4.

He said that back in the day when they used SAE oil it was 24:1, but with the current 2-stroke oil it should be 50:1.

I don't trust him 100% but it makes sense.

Also, by using less oil, it changes the density of the fuel. Don't know how much though. With less oil it has more gas per 'unit' and thus a richer gas/air mixture. On these old motors do we need to lean out the jets to compensate for running 50:1?
 
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