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[TheOilDoc]

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PIB's are used in Yamaha 2M and the FICHT Ram (XD-50) in relatively large amounts. Merc and Pennzoil syn-blend use smaller amouts of it.

Yes, but I was hoping you could explain your comment that they are not in reference oils. <br /><br />I was also hoping you could better explain your statement that reference oils are allowed 15% scuffing.<br /><br />It is hard to discuss topics without members clarifying or elaborating on their comments. I would like to hear more about them from you before I post contridition. Your statements do not reflect the testing we did or the standards we followed, including the one about Yamalube not being used as a reference oil. Maybe I am misunderstanding you.<br /><br />By the way, how long have you known Mr. Thomas Marhevko? All the years I spent at our testing facility working with the NMMA I never had the opportunity to meet or speak with him.

 

[Triton II]

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OilDoc, I understand your desire to get explanations here, however many posters do not have the time (or in my case ability) to back up claims - I'd say 99% of statements made to help fellow iboaters are in good faith and maybe 50% or less are able to be fully supported scientifically with references to scientific papers and official research certification numbers etc. However many posters post statements learned from experience and they have a genuine desire to help... there is no way these people are going to explain themselves and there's little reason why they should have to in the majority of cases. The yamalube reference oil is a case in point. One member says it's a reference oil, another says the reference oil is a NMMA number. Turns out both are right (or potentially right). What I'm trying to say is, if we wind up in some kind of scientific confrontational quagmire, the whole reason for iboating disappears - for me at least.

 

[Triton II]

Re: Oil thread went "POOF"

OilDoc, I understand your desire to get explanations here, however many posters do not have the time (or in my case ability) to back up claims - I'd say 99% of statements made to help fellow iboaters are in good faith and maybe 50% or less are able to be fully supported scientifically with references to scientific papers and official research certification numbers etc. However many posters post statements learned from experience and they have a genuine desire to help... there is no way these people are going to explain themselves and there's little reason why they should have to in the majority of cases. The yamalube reference oil is a case in point. One member says it's a reference oil, another says the reference oil is a NMMA number. Turns out both are right (or potentially right). What I'm trying to say is, if we wind up in some kind of scientific confrontational quagmire, the whole reason for iboating disappears - for me at least.

 

[LubeDude]

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I agree TritonII, "BUT" there are "THOSE "that want to know the Parts per million of whatever in what, therefore we have, (TheOilDoc)!!! for those people.

 

[TheOilDoc]

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Thank you Triton II. Member seahorse appears to have both the ability and time to discuss TC-W3 oils. There is no doubt he posts in good faith and in a professional manner. I appreciate that. <br /><br />Unfortunately what he has posted is incorrect. I was hoping for an explanation from him on that, considering his apparent knowledge and relationship with the VP of NMMA's engineering standards division. I would like for member seahorse to share with us what he knows. I enjoy learning. I am not asking for scientific papers, certification numbers, or parts per million of whatever. I am simply discussing what's behind TC-W3 oil with another member in hopes of learning something.<br /><br />The problem I would like to iron out is seahorse's comment about the 15% piston scuffing allowed with a reference oil. The TC-W3 test that allows 15% piston scuffing uses no reference oil. Piston scuffing is evaluated using the candidate oil. With the candidate oil, 15% of the piston's circumference is allowed to be scuffed. 20% total area. I was hoping seahorse could explain further since he brought it up.<br /><br />Seahorse also claims reference oils can not contain quantities of polyisobutylene or PIB. I do not agree, as in all my years testing oils I have never seen limits of PIB set on reference oil. Maybe I missed something. I was hoping seahorse could explain since he brought it up.<br /><br />I was also surprised with the comment, "Yamaha 2M outboard oil is not the reference oil". Yamalube is a well-known reference oil in outboard oil testing. The NMMA does not concoct their own reference oils. The NMMA uses alpha-numeric designations for reference oils rather than name-brands for obvious reasons.<br /><br />In closing, I find it odd that when I asked seahorse to better clarify and correct me if I was misunderstanding him, he referred me to a professional who's name was posted by another member in a prior post.<br /><br />I'm sure seahorse will clear it all up when he returns. <br /><br />In the mean time, maybe member LubeDude would like to elaborate a little on TC-W3 oil testing and NMMA reference oils? Just the basics are ok with me.

 

[Dunaruna]

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Hi Doc, my name's Aldo.<br /><br />I don't want to derail this thread, in fact I hope you get the answers to your questions.<br /><br /> You've probably gathered by now that discussions on oil, politics and religion go down like a fart in a church around here, there's even a 2 stroke v 4 stroke thread going that has potential. JB usually has to pull us out of the sandbox and send us home, funny how we end up back the next day spittin' and cussin' at each other.<br /><br />Anyway, what makes Doc tick? Fishing, skiing etc? <br /><br />Aldo

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by TheOilDoc:<br /> In the mean time, maybe member LubeDude would like to elaborate a little on TC-W3 oil testing and NMMA reference oils? Just the basics are ok with me.

Hey, all I know is what I read, will read, or have read and experienced myself, you are doing fine. And to quote Alfred E. Newman, "What Me Worry"?<br /><br />

 

[Triton II]

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Thanks for your reply OilDoc, guess what I'm saying is we all need a little humility at times and tolerance of when people get it 'half right'. By all means shoot me down if I get something wrong... we're a pretty thick-skinned mob down here!

 

[TheOilDoc]

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go down like a fart in a church

Hi Aldo. If you do that you'll end up sitting in your own pew.

 

[Dunaruna]

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[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by TheOilDoc:<br />

go down like a fart in a church

Hi Aldo. If you do that you'll end up sitting in your own pew.

Well, we are getting to know you a little better, we now know that you have a sense of humor.