Older Minkota 565

joemamma_222

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Hey Guys can someone tell me what might be wrong here ? My dad's got a Minkota foot controlled 565 Old thing. the problem is the only setting that works is High. It'll throw someone off the boat REAL quick ! It's his first foot controlled Troll and he really likes it but I need it to go SLOW too ! I can take pics... Has anyone ever taken off that little KNOB and maybe done some tinkering ? I was thinking maybe the contacts could be burnt for 5 4 3 2 1/ High/Med/Low? there's no numbers on it or anything but it only works when it;s turned all the way in one direction...Thanks for any help ! I may have to tear it apart or sumthin.....or limit the Voltage to at least get MED ? 12v motor....
 

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Re: Older Minkota 565

That's a Power Drive with Maximizer, isn't it, Joe?

The sliding potentiometer doesn't control the motor directly. It controls the maximizer circuit to change the pulse width and frequency sent to the motor.

If I am right in the identification, take the foot control apart and clean the surface that the slide operates on. If that doesn't work you need a new control board, which usually costs more than you can buy a complete foot controller on ebay.

Good luck. :)
 

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Re: Older Minkota 565

Thanks JB ! Not sure of the power drive with maximizer but everything is cast metal it is OLD.....
It's got the potentiometer on the right side of the footpedal and on the left side of the pedal there's an always ON switch. I'll get it off the boat and post a pic or 2. Thanks !
 

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Oh. That's not a Power Drive, so forget what I said.:$
 

Silvertip

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Either the switch or speed coils are bad.
 

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Re: Older Minkota 565

Switch ? The switch seems to work ok......Hopefully I can get to it tonight and see....
 

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The switches on the foot control will get really gunked up after several years (trust me) - does it have a high-speed bypass switch? could be shorted to "on" all the time. disassemble, wd40, reinstall...piece of cake...hopefully...

or...if yours looks anyting like my old MG...the contact points under the pedal can get bent over to where something might contact something it shouldn't...
 

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Re: Older Minkota 565

Appreciate the info Guys...

Here;s what I;ve got...
the POT (High/med/low switch) has 4 wires on one end and on the bottom a black wire. the POT is sealed. Looks like it would have to be replaced if it;s faulty. I'm gonna pull it outta the pedal housing and try and get a # off of it and replace if I can find one. If I cant then I was thinking I could Switch the "FULL ON" "high" wire to another one of the 4 posts ? Without posting a picture which is worth a thousand words..This thing is a foot pedal Only and no big module to the left or right of it....It's all underneath and pretty clean wiring.

Hey J texas...
the High speed Bypass switch is an on off switch on the left side of the pedal I think. it works...Dont know if it works how it;s supposed to. If switched ON it will run High speed all the time. And you can just steer If your needing to tread some water. Once again this only happens when the POT (potentiometer, high med low switch) is all the way on High

Sorry for all the grammer mistakes......Had a rut canal .....too tired to Fix...
Jeo in oiHio.....
 

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okay...root canal [shudder]...

yours is a bit different..."hsbp" just gives me top speed regardless of where the dial is set. I also have have a "constant-on" which is what you described.

your hi/med/lo...it's separate from the speed dial? is it a toggle? It might "appear" to be sealed but could just be a snap-together sort of thing.
 

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Thanks Jtexas
my High med low IS the speed dial....Looks like a Potentiometer)
 

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Anyone know how I can tell if my speed switch is bad ?
Or where I might be able to get a new one ?
 

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Here's the deal. The speed switch controls the motor speed the same way the heater fan on older cars was controlled -- by wire wound resistors called speed coils that drop the voltage to the motor. There are probably two of them if you have a three speed motor and they are probably located down in the motor housing as they do get hot. To test the switch, remove it. Connect one lead of an ohm meter to the black lead and the other lead to one of the other wires. Move the switch through the various positions and see if any of the settings indicates continuity. Then repeat for the next wire and the next, etc. What you need to determine is which wire going into the switch is carrying +12V. Depending on the switch setting, one of the other wires feeds 12v to the speed coils in the motor. In high speed, the speed coils are bypassed so its my guess the medium speed coil is burned out. The speed coils are connected in series so resistance is additive. Connected to the top of the two resistors presents the most resistance and therefore the slowest speed. The medium speed connection is between the two resistors so only the lower one is in the circuit. However, if that coil is burned out, you lose both low and medium speeds. I You can check the speed coils without disassembling the motor using the same logic. Determine which wire from the motor is ground. Connect one ohm meter lead to it. Then touch each of the remaining leads. The one that shows coninuity is high speed. The other two should show open if the medium speed coil is bad. If the low speed coil is open the medium coil would still function. If both are burned out, you again would have continuity on only the high speed line. If I had the time I'd draw a you picture but I think you should be able to figure this out. If the switch is bad you will need to get one from Minnkota. Otherwise you can modify things and get one from an electronics surplus store or electronic supply store in a larger community.
 

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Man I really appreciate the info on that Silvertip !
Thats a mouthful ! I'm going to try and see whats up....Everythig is very clean under the pedal......I'm thinking the worst...It may be my coils.....
The motor runs great I just wish I could keep it a Constant MED....Like put a voltage regulator in the midst and run like 8 volts to it...Is that maybe why the law requires a fire extinguisher On board ? :}
 

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If it turns out the speed coils are open, you can buy high current wire wound resistors from electronic supply stores. These are big buggers and mounted in free air will get hot but they would work to control the speed. You could also buy a heavy duty rheostat but they would be pricey. To build a voltage regulator that would handle the current would also be relatively expensive.
 

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Hey Silvertip !
Here's what I've got...Let me preface by saying I havent pulled the switch or disconnected the leads. So this may give a Speed coil away ?
Here's my go at text graphics..X= continuity.:speed dial has 5 settings. Wires below are all comming off one side of the speed dial.
DIAL SET'NG: 0.....1.....2.....3.....4
yellow wire : ....... X.....X.....X
Blue wire :.............X......X.....X
green Wire :...........X......X.....X
Black wire :.................................X
there are 2 other posts on the switch itself...One is not being used and the other is the ground. (these are the grounds of the switch and not shown above)

So Looks to me like the 0 is the off on the speed dial setting and 1234 would be speeds 1234.....if the yellow blue and green are all hot and nothings changing thru speeds 1 2 and 3 I'm thinking somthings not right ?
By the way the "all time On" on/off switch was off for all this testing.
Whatcha think ?

thanks ! Joe in Ohio
 

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If you have continuity between 1, 2, and 3 and ground (black wire) that tells me the speed coils are probably ok. The next test would be of the switch itself. Measure continuity from the 12V input to the switch and the same wires (forget the ground wire -- it has no purpose in this test). You should have continuity between the input and positions 1, 2, and 3. We know 4 works. If not, the switch is bad. If you have continuity in all positions, We are doing something wrong. I've had a couple glasses of wine so my thinking may be a bit clouded. :%
 

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Hmmm well I'm going to hook up the power tonight and try and find my +12V. I'll be sure and take a pic. one of those 4 wires should be +12V. because on the other side of the switch is 2 posts side by side. One had a wire comming from the Bat Neg and the other is bare. I'm thinking Yellow is my +12V.....I' will report back !
 

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You don't need to connect 12V. Put one lead of the ohm meter on the 12V line and the other on position 0. Should show open. Then repeat for position 1. Measure from +12 lead to position 0 1, 2, 3, and 4. You should show continuity on only the wire on positioni 1. Repeat for position 2. Again -- continuity on only position 2.
 

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Update...
I took the Speed dial completely out....
Four posts on top and 2 on the bottom
2 on the bottom show continuity to eachother..Had the black batt wire going to it Both are neg,.
Anyway 0 on the speed dial shows no Cont. to any of the 4 posts. 1 on the speed dial shows cont. to a post . 2 on the dial shows cont to a different post. 3 shows cont to a different post and 4 shows cont to a different post.

So the switch seems to be going thru the motions. Looks like bad speed coils ? on 123 ?
 
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