OMC Not Running Well

RC

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1986 OMC 4.3 V6 with Cobra outdrive in a Four Winns 190 Horizon. 19 pitch ss prop.

I've had this boat for 8 years. Up until last year it always ran like a champ. What I noticed last year was a struggle getting out of the hole, lack of power on acceleration and a lack of speed at full throttle. My kids and their friends love to tube, one thing that it also does is lose acceleration when making a tight turn. They keep yelling at me to go faster and I can't, not until I get out of the turn. I changed the spark plugs, wires and points along with a new fuel/water separator. I did not change the distributor cap or rotor because the ones ordered did not fit. I also did not replace the condensor, when I did use the new one the boat would not start so I put the old one back in. I also check the timing and dwell. After all that no change. I recently had the boat in for an annual service and discussed this problem. They put the motor on a Dyno machine and told me it was running as good as this engine could be running. The numbers they gave me were 2700lbs at 3300 rpms and that the "used" specs are 2600 to 2800 lbs. Their only comment was the timing was off a little bit. Have had the boat out twice now and have the same issues. Getting really frustrated, any help you all can provide would be much appreciated.
 
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Lou C

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Re: OMC Not Running Well

I had a major performanc problem on my 88 4.3 OMC and it turned out to be the anti-siphon valve on the gas tank...it was restricting fuel flow...I had checked all the ignition related issues before that...and took it to a good mechanic and that's what he found...its been fine for 6 years since...
 

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You said you changed the fuel/water seperator but what about the filter at the carb?
 

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RC

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Re: OMC Not Running Well

I did not change the fuel filter at the carb. Two responses and both dealing with fuel issues. Could this typically not show up at the shop when tested on the Dyno machine?
 

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Re: OMC Not Running Well

same case on my 90 OMC 4.3,,,
a faulty check ball, worn out got sticky,,, by pass the valve give it a shot.
 

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First I would check carb butterflies, make sure they are wide open at WOT.

Then follow fuel flow.
Also pull your spark plugs, red is rich, green is lean. So if they are greenish then you know that you are not getting enough fuel.

The thing to think about is what is different between when it's on a dyno and when it's in the boat....
Fuel system is the main thing. The filter on the carb is the same on both so while it never hurts to change it for less than $5..... that is probably not going to be the culprit. Also the water seperator/filter is the same, so can rule that out. If there is a filter in front of the pump.... might be there, or the check valve or the other thing is the fuel quality, or your tank might have drawn moisture and have a little more water in it than what the separator can pull out.

Not to start a debate about additives.... but what I would do personally is pull the plugs and visually inspect, also add Sea Foam to the gas tank as well as try a different gas station.

What octane are you using?
How many hours on the motor?
 

RC

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Thanks for the responses. juniinc I don't know what you mean. I'm not very familiar with the fuel delivery system. Mag I don't have an hour meter, always use premium fuel. I've actually thought about going to a different gas station as i've used the same station for quite some time, but it is a Valero and they usually have good fuel. What is a check valve?
 

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Might try regular instead of premium, I am sure cali has went to corn gas like us here Missouri. The 10% ethanol adds alot of retardation in the detonation, the difference between premium and regular, you get the same amount of energy out of each, premium releases it slower where regular is a faster pop. Premium is designed for high compression engines that would diesel (ignite from compression rather than spark on regular) but is also often used to hide mechanical issues such as hot spots in a cylinder(s) of a worn engine causing regular grade to diesel, fire before the spark is sent to the spark plug due to a hot spot in the cylinder. Which a hot spot can be carbon build up on piston or valves or even spark plugs them selfs or a more severe mechanical issue.

As an engine wears you of course lose compression, so if an engine is a high compression engine and Premium is the manufacturers recommendation, then after a few years of use compression has dropped but there are no other mechanical issues or carbon, it will no longer run well on premium, that is when it is time to change to regular.

Hope this helps.
 

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Anti siphon valve is located at the fuel pick up line,,,
& will prevent siphoning fuel to your bilge if there is a break in the fuel line.
90degree elbow piece to the right in this pic would be it, a little spring forced check ball is in there,,,
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Change the Carb 3.00 filter too. If anything for piece of mind that you know it's new and has been done. As they get older they star slowwing the fuel flow. Might not be the culprit but it coulb at some point this season, good luck.
 

RC

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Thanks for the suggestions so far. Fairly easy ideas, I will try them all. Is the anti-siphon valve something I can easily change myself? I do have good access to the fuel tank.
 

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accessibility is the thing.
U have good access to the fuel builge,,,real easy.
Good luck man.
 

RC

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Ok, so I have run Seafoam thru the motor and gas and replaced both the filter at the carb and the anti-syphon valve. Boat does seem to run better, it is no longer hesitating as I go to full throttle. But still a definate lack of power, it struggles to pull 3 kids in a tube. Engine sounds like it is working much harder than it has to. I also recently noticed that at times while holding the throttle steady it would accelerate a bit then go back. It does feel like the engine is wanting more fuel. Should I have the fuel pump checked out?
 

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I think there is a sticky for checking out the fuel system...but when troubleshooting it's good to make sure the ignition system is right on the money first then go to fuel...
Is your dwell and timing set to spec? Does the distributor give full timing advance at the specified RPM? These two points are very important in troubleshooting performance issues. For an OMC 4.3 V6, base timing shoud be 6*BTDC and total timing advance at 3200 is 18*
 

RC

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Yes, ignition is right on. In a post above I wrote how it was in the shop recently and they put it on the Dyno machine. I was told the engine is running near perfect for one its age. I'll check for the fuel system sticky.
 
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One other thing you may do when you replace that nipple on top of the tank is run the boat for a few minutes on muffs before you take the hose off of the nipple. If you pull the hose off and you hear vaccuum or sucking, you also have a good idea, as Lou C stated, that you perhaps have an issue with your fuel tank vent.
 
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