popping out of gear 58 johnson 35hp

wilde1j

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Re: popping out of gear 58 johnson 35hp

Most likely, worn fwd gear and clutch dog.
 

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If it pops out and in w/a bang like you hit a stump, I agree with wilde1j above. If it pops out and stays in neutral, check linkage at shifter, and shift shaft connector. If they're good, pull lower unit and check the gearcase for bad shift fork/cradle.
 

tim thompson

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Re: popping out of gear 58 johnson 35hp

It does pop out with a bang but pops back in and so on. So would shift shaft connector or something simple be the cause, or do I need to pull lower unit and gearcase. I have generic manual 1.5 hp to 125 56 through 72. Any detail instructions or pictures would be of great help. Thanks Seaman
Apprentice Thompson
 

wilde1j

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Re: popping out of gear 58 johnson 35hp

Get an OEM shop manual. Ebay or see below.
 

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Re: popping out of gear 58 johnson 35hp

It does pop out with a bang but pops back in and so on. So would shift shaft connector or something simple be the cause, or do I need to pull lower unit and gearcase. I have generic manual 1.5 hp to 125 56 through 72. Any detail instructions or pictures would be of great help. Thanks Seaman
Apprentice Thompson

So that is the best advice as how to solve problem is go spend another 80. on shop manual and figure it out . Any one have help or ideas I would appreciate it.I think motor is rd 20 but everything is white bottom and top which makes me reluctant to just continue buying manuals.... thanks for any help.
 

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marineengine.com will have schematics for your engine...if your manual has an instruction for the split gearcase disassembly they are all similiar..gears and dogs are not cheap
 

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Re: popping out of gear 58 johnson 35hp

So that is the best advice as how to solve problem is go spend another 80. on shop manual and figure it out . Any one have help or ideas I would appreciate it.I think motor is rd 20 but everything is white bottom and top which makes me reluctant to just continue buying manuals.... thanks for any help.

No, that is just the best advice...period. It will also be the best single tip that you get in here.
With ~ 95% + certainty you are going to have to open up the lower unit and replace some worn parts. That diagnosis has already been offered to you....free of charge...;)
That manual will make the trip way easier...for you and everyone in here that takes time out of THEIR days to try and assist you.

I am not sure what you are expecting from this forum, but getting testy with responders won't get you a lot of help...:rolleyes::facepalm:
 

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Re: popping out of gear 58 johnson 35hp

Tim, it is not my desire to be testy and I trully appreciate the imput. I thought there were other suggestions regarding shift rod that I didn't understand that could be the source of the problem. I admit frustration but I am hoping someone that enjoys mechanic work and enjoys helping on forums such as this that might know (my motor) specifically could be quite helpful. I in fact will do the same for anyone as I learn. It is not a burden to share information, it is a pleasure. Sorry that I sounded like a brat. Thanks
 

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I think ytou have a worn clutch dog. The abrupt "bang"ing manner in which the gears disengage is classic symptom of a worn clutch dog. It's a fairly common problem. However, you will have to open the gear case to change the part. It's not terribly difficult, but go slow if it's your first time. New/replacement dogs usually cost between $50-$70 depending on the exact model. The online, exploded diagram manuals at marineengines.com are really good and may be all you need. Essentially, you need to drop the lower unit by removeing the 4-5 bolts taht hold the lower unit to the exhaust housing, as well as disconnecting the shift rod connector. Once the LU is dropped out you'll need to flip it over and remove the 6 bolts that hold the lower half of the gear case to the upper half. It's sort of a clam shell arrangement. Once the lower half of the gear case is off you'll see the gears and clutch dog which slides between them when the shift rod is raised or lowered. That should get you started. Report back and let us know what you find. There are lots of threads with pics of worn clutch dogs which you can use as a reference. You search terms like "worn clutch dog" and you'll find lots of threads. You may not find one for your exact make and model, but the beauty of these old gems is that they were virtually unchanged for years and have lots of available and interchangeable parts. Keep us posted.
 

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Thanks for the detailed plan for attack. Upon ordering parts I have a concern about ordering correct parts for rd 20 (o rings gaskets etc. and clutch dog etc) because it has 40hp hood and lower unit is white. I will post results as soon as I can get to the project. I replaced the impeller on her so I have been that far. My book has gear box pictures but it doesn't indicate what motor. Hopefully this weekend...
thanks again for help
 

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Tim, it is not my desire to be testy and I trully appreciate the imput. I thought there were other suggestions regarding shift rod that I didn't understand that could be the source of the problem. I admit frustration but I am hoping someone that enjoys mechanic work and enjoys helping on forums such as this that might know (my motor) specifically could be quite helpful. I in fact will do the same for anyone as I learn. It is not a burden to share information, it is a pleasure. Sorry that I sounded like a brat. Thanks

The opinions seem to be running almost unanimously towards clutch dog/gear damage.
The linkage adjustment is one of those "if you are lucky" faint hopes....at least for me that kind of thing is...:)

At this point, since you have already replaced the impeller, you may not have to drop the L/U again. I think that you can disassemble the gearcase in situ. Drop the lower half casing and you can assess the status of components.

Post some pics as was suggested and you'll get as many suggestions as you need....probably more...:D

One of the great benefits of the OEM manuals is that you often can get an answer immediately from the book, otherwise you are at the mercy of when the answer you need gets posted.
 

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Re: popping out of gear 58 johnson 35hp

... ya, and you get to trust someone who may never have seen an open gearcase before. There are plenty of wrong answers posted here regularly. If you don't want to put some expensive parts at risk, get an OEM book, otherwise pray your going to be lucky. This site is not a substitute for an OEM book, but some seem to think it is.

Only rarely is the fwd gear any good if the clutch dog is NG, but most inexperienced people don't know how to distinguish between NG and OK to reuse.

A lot of us have actually worked on this stuff before.
 

tim thompson

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Tim, I received this beautiful boat and motor as a gift last year and I have worked countless hours with my limitless knowledge and manual I thought was the only one out there. I don't like begging for help but I'm not on vacation. I just hope to get her going with the little time there is and be thankful before I am too old to fix her and test with success. Thanks again for taking your time to help folks that have aquired antiques...
 
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