Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

mainline4you

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Have a pic on my desktop of what the motor looks like on my boat, but not quite sure how to post it. Anyway, I have a 87ish 16' Starcraft aluminum v hull which is rated for a 80HP motor. The 50 horse that was on there took a dump and was replaced with a 88 90hp merc 3cyl. This boat porpoised with both motors, so I know it is not to much of a "overpower" issue. <br /><br />The cav plate is about 1/2 inch below the boat with motor down. I was told to lower the motor down to this due to the prop spin thinking it was sucking in air.<br /><br />Point blank, what happens is this: The boat comes up on plain just fine, but with still a lot of prop spin to get there. Once on plain the bouncing starts and stays no matter where it is trimmed. Only way I get it to stop is by slowing. I have tried a hydrofoil which did not help. This boat has been reconfigured to a more "usuable style" with the 2 6gal tanks in the front now hopeing that would help with weight and just the motor and battery in the rear with the driver counsel just rear of center on right side.<br /><br />I know this is a heavy boat, but I guess my thinking is seeing a similar style boat with a less horse motor cruise by me just as flat as could be - and then there is me topped out at 32mph bouncing all over the place kinda makes me wonder! <br /><br />Please give me some ideas if you have them. I tried to be as specific as I could on the probs I have. Thanks.
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

No doubt, smart-tabs would help...BUT...something else is going on here.<br />Does your boat set on the trailer with the transom setting on the bunks-boat is fully supported???<br />You say prop spin...are you saying it revs up but doesn't react to the RPM?????
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

I have a roller trailer that this boat sits on and yes, all rollers are touching the boat.<br /><br />This boat was never outfitted with a tach, so I cant really tell you exactly what the rps reach. BUT, I can say that when I punch it (dosent matter if from a dead stop or trolling speed) that the motor will rev up to the sound of extremely high idle before she slowly starts to grab and take off. The prop sits there spinning in the water. I also mark checked for it spinning on the hub which it is not. Then of course the bouncing begins! :D
 

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A full-roller trailer has next to zero support...personally I don't like the type.<br />What I was getting at was that the transom needs to be supported by the trailer...if the transom (the last 2" of the boat) are not supported at that location, the hull can develope a hook. Some boats are built with a hook, some are not.<br />It could be as simple as you have a stern-lifting prop but need a bow-lifter, or the other way around...that hull likes a moderate bow lifter and usually runs best with the AV plate even with the boat bottom, so My next question would be what prop are you running???alum or SS?? and what Model???
 

mainline4you

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

I have a 3 blade aluminum 13" 19p prop. I did try the same style but a 15p once but the prob was WAY worse out of the hole.<br /><br />No, the back 7" of the boat is not supported. I dont know if this matters or not but I just took a straight edge to the transom and it was straight. Nother thing if it matters is I do travel this with a transom saver attached.
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

The porpoising is commonon many I/Os and O/B driven boats. What bothers me is the prop spin on take off. How much bow rise do you get on take off? How long does it take to get the boat on plane? What is the running attitude once on plane? How many people are in the boat when you are testing?<br /><br />The porpoising is easyly corrected wiht Smart Tabs but I would like to know the answers to the above questions first. Are you sure the prop hub is not spinning?
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

Is it possible that the prop has been drilled (vented) ? Might explain the spin-up on take off.<br />Another thing to do is take your straight edge and place it bow-stern on the hull at the transom. See if the hull is cupped at the transom edge. <br />
I have a 3 blade aluminum 13" 19p prop. I did try the same style but a 15p once but the prob was WAY worse out of the hole.<br />
Hole shot should be much better going from a 19 to 15 pitch. How do you mean WAY worse ?
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

Must've grabbed that zero pitch by mistake.... don't ya hate when that happens. Up north we call them test props! :D
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

Usually porpoising is an issue of trim and weight in the front of the boat vs the rear of the boat. I had this problem with a 15ft fiberglass boat. I put a lot of weight in the front and trimmed the motor up more. Also another problem I encountered was water in the bottom of the boat.<br /><br />I thought the ideal postion for the motor should be with the cavitation plate even with the bottom of the boat. Also I would get a tach for that motor and see if the rpms are in the right place at WOT, if not adjust to a different prop and if needed adjust how the motor runs.<br /><br />Chris
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

When I punch it and trimmed all the way down, the bow comes up a good 3-4'and takes around 7-10 seconds to plain. If I go up to maybe third throttle from a stop, it wont plain till I give it full and back off.<br /><br />Once up on plain, the response is there, it just porpoises. From a GPS standpoint, I can go roughly 25mph and then starts to bounce all the way to WOT at 32mph.<br /><br />When I put the 15p on, the hole shot was way worse, meaning there was lots more spinning going on till it would take off. I could safely say it would take 15 or so seconds to plain.<br /><br />I took a marker and marked the spline shaft, and then the prop. Took it for a spin (diagnosing another problem I have) and when I loaded back up, the marks were in the same place. Did it spin completely and ended up in the same place - not sure but I'll keep an eye on it. I dont think the prop was drilled out - at least not afterwards since it was bought brand new.<br /><br />During these tests, there was one other person in the boat, with them sitting about 7' from the bow and then me driving around 10' from the bow.<br /><br />I took a straight edge to the bottom transom side, and there is no cupping. The bottom corner is rounded at about a 1" radius, but looks as if it is supposed to be.<br /><br />So, I should probably raise the motor a step, but is it better to have the cav plate a bit lower or higher than the bottom? This motor has been in three different hights to try to cure this prob to no avail. So this is where I just left it.<br /><br />Thanks everyone for your replys!
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

What I would look at first is the motor because 32 mph WOT with a 90 HP sounds low to me, especially with an aluminum boat. That boat should fly with a 90 HP. <br /><br />What model of Starcraft boat is it? Is it open bow, dual console, closed bow, etc. Can you post a picture?<br /><br />Also please check for water under the deck, if you get enough water in there and it moves back and forth the weight can add to the problem.<br /><br />Chris
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

I don't see any mention of RPM's in your posts. Do you have a tach ? 32MPH does sound quite slow, would think at least 40-45 with a 90 on a 16ft aluminum hull. Can you provide any pictures of the setup ? You know what they say. What you are describing does sound like the prop(s) are ventilating. The 15p should give you noticably better hole shot. A tach will help confirm this.
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

I just got a webspace so I can post some pics so you can have a better idea of what I have. Go to 1987 Starcraft and you will see my boat and its setup.<br /><br />Also, this boat remains really dry. I very seldom have any water on the bottom.<br /><br />No I do not have a tach. I know I need to get one though.
 

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I see something in the 4th and 5th pictures that may explain the prop revving. Can't be certain because of the angle of the photos but the transducer may be causing ventilation of the prop. From what I can see the transducer is quite close to the centerline on the hull. Should be at least 12" from center.<br />If you can eliminate the prop ventilation (assuming it does) the addition of the foil should help with hole shot and porpoising.<br />Nice job on the conversion. Looks very professional.
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

It is my opinion that the engine needs to be raised on your transom and by quite a bit. The anti-cavitation plate needs to be about 1" above the keel of your boat to function properly. Here is what is happening to your boat I think:<br /><br />When you are fully trimmed in, the anti-cav plate is forcing the bow down. That is as it should be- however, as you increase your speed, you will trim up, bring the anti-cav plate parallel with the keel. That is giving you a straighter line of thrust and better speed. Then you start trimming up a bit more, you raise the bow and reduce the wetted surface of the boat, decreasing drag and picking up even more speed. The issue I think you have is when you get past parallel with the anti-cav plate. Since it is riding so far down, it is still in the water at speed. When you go past parallel, the front edge of the plate is actually digging into the water, pulling the stern down and raising the bow. Eventually the weight of the bow overcomes the downward pull of the plate and it drops. Then the plate pulls the stern down again and raises the bow. This perpetuates the porpoising and until something changes, it's not going to get any better. Raise that engine until the anti-cav plate is NO LESS than 1/2" above the keel; a full inch would be better. <br /><br /> As far as the cavitation, the transducer wouldn't be causing that on take-off; you're not moving too much yet. However, not being able to see the offset, it could cause you an issue at higher speeds. I do wonder one thing though- in the picture you posted, the prop seems small to me- does the front edge of the barrel of the prop fit well into the lower unit? You say the prop is not drilled- considering it is an aluminum prop and is new I'll guess that there are no vent holes. Does the diameter of the prop barrel match the gearcase? If it is too little, you will vent exhaust through that gap and cause the prop to slip. It's a common thing on bigger engines- some guys will run a 4" barrel prop on a large gearcase engine in order to get ventilation and a better holeshot. (Bassboats specifically.) If your prop is not matched well with your gearcase, you may need a prop with an anti-cavitation ring on it. That's a ring that acts as a "gasket" between the prop barrel and the gearcase. I can't tell from your picture- can you get a close-up shot of the barrel/gearcase fit?<br /><br /> I think that boat should run in the low 40's with a 90hp engine- my 16' SeaNymph ran 34 mph with a 50hp and it was set-up pretty close to yours. The 90 should get you up and running! But, there are a couple things you need to fix first. The #1 is raising that engine. I don't believe you are sucking surface air- I think you are drawing exhaust in and aerating the prop. <br /><br /> There's no reason why that boat shouldn't be a beast when set-up right. The engine may be too heavy for the back of that boat but tabs may be able to help that. Get the basic set-up right first and then go from there. <br /><br />UFM82
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

how's the weight distribution in the boat? Sounds to me like it's really stern heavy. I realize you tried not to change it with the conversion, but maybe it wasn't great to start with, and the new heavier motor makes it worse. You could re-distribute some to the bow to test, or see if adding some weight up front helps.
 

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I can tell you right now, the transducer on the starboard side is way too close to the center-line. Just as soon as you pour the coals to it, it's a factor. It pushes a wake out just like the boat...it's putting turbulance into the prop...been through this before.<br />If that piece isn't your problem, I will be amazed.....<br />Unbolt it and hang it inside the splash-well and try it.....<br />That should cure your venting problem, but I'm not sure what to say about porpoising...<br />I have an 18ft, 1979 starcraft supersport, total refurb...I had a 115 on it, had some slight porpoising issues and went with 6" of set-back. solved my problem completely. I now have a Rude 200XP hanging there...still no porpoising problems. I do run Mobster tabs, but not because of porpoise, because of bad chinewalking habits above 50MPH. I ran the 200 without the tabs first, and porpoise wasn't there, just a chine-walk problem. With that much engine you may have to either shim it back a few inches, or put a plate on it and get the engine back 5-6".<br />This may be the leverage you need.
 

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Re: Porpoise help on 16' Starcraft

I added some more close up pics for you to see. After seeing these, 1987 Starcraft please let me know if you still think I should raise the motor and what you think of the prop. Also, thank you very much for the help and input thus far!
 

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Mainline, the prop is fine...the heigth may need some changing, but I think your transducer on the right IS an issue with hole-shot.
 
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