power tilt trim not motor working please help

[kregalmach1]

hi guys I know this is a frequent question and I am pretty mech. inclined.. im working on a 1987 60 horse with power til and trim . I know the green wire to the sylnoid is down and blue up. im just trying to get this boat I bought ready for water .. thin is I hit the trim button up or down I can here the sylnoids. clicking and working so to say.. but no motor or motor noise .. so this is what I id I tried crossing the both big terminals on them(sylnoids) and nothing ...so I took jumper cables and I touch each one with possative lead and still nothing ..I touch 1 of the small terminals and I an get them to click this is the green and blue wires directly to the trim motor .. and still nothing out of the motor .. am I missing something stupid to make this thing work

 

[Laddies]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

The motor is bad, probably a stuck brush, in the old days you could tap on the end plate to get them going but many of todays motors are ceramic and will crack

 

[kregalmach1]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

The motor is bad, probably a stuck brush, in the old days you could tap on the end plate to get them going but many of todays motors are ceramic and will crack

ok I thought so doubt I can take it apart and get it either .. I did just bid on another one maybe you can answer another ? for me will one off a 1990 45 horse work they look the same

 

[Laddies]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

I don't think so but it mighy look it up here. http://www.ishopmarine.com/ishop/js...cCatFilter=MM&eCatSupFldr=supplier-050-025-MM

 

[kregalmach1]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

hi guy sorry to bring this back.. but im in a pickle here. I changed the hydrolic motor the new motor only has the blue and green wires 2. not a black one like the original motor .. I figure this is a ground . and the new motor grounds when bolted to the motor . anyway. I bolted in the motor and run the 2 wires (blueand green) to where they are supposed to go . how ever still nothing the motor don't run. up or down ..so I got my jumper baterrie and . I grounded it to the motor . and put the hot right on the blue and green wires directly to the motor(one at a time though) and it still don't run . what am I missing . the motor should run if itds hooked direct to the battery right .. well then I got my test ligh out. and tested the silnoids I get power to the small wires when I move the switch . however I don't get power aross both big terminals .. but really the motor anyway should run hooked driect to the battery pease elp .

 

[Laddies]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

The 2 wire motor is for relays and the 3 wire is for solenoids, the relays reverse the polarity and the solenoids do not.

 

[kregalmach1]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

this is the motor I got says it replaces it .. cant I still just not use the relays and hook up sylnoids or must I have the motor with the 3 wires blue green and black? but the one I got only has 2 wires

Power Tilt Trim Motor Mercury Marine Mariner Outboard Engines Design I 3 Ram 3 Wire Side Fill Integral Systems 99186 99186-1 99186T
by Discount Starter and Alternator

 

[RRitt]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

you have to replace the solenoid sub-harness with a relay sub-harness. The relays and relay harness are generic commodity for 2w trim. Also often found in automobiles for control of reversible 12v motors. I have seen the cheap ones on ebay for around $30. The mercury force ones are better built but may be harder to find.

 

[starkyb]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

I just replaced mine. The old motor had 3 wires coming out of it the new one only had 2, the blue and the green. The ground was attached to the relays on the new one. Remove the old solenoids and and use the wires and relays that came with. That is if it came with a separate wire harness

 

[kregalmach1]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

hguys I took the motor back off and tried to bench test it I hooked power to one wire and ground to the other and all t did was spark so im thinking that the motor that I got is no good what you think

 

[starkyb]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

Exactly which wires did you hook up, are you talking a about the new motor

 

[Laddies]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

The motor shot.

 

[kregalmach1]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

The motor shot.

yes on the new motor I bench tested it power to green ground to blue and opposite direction as well it just sparked

 

[starkyb]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

The blue and the green are not power and ground. Current to the blue makes it go up, current to the green makes it go down. What I need to know is when you got the new motor was there a separate wire harness in the package? if so, all of the wires need to be hooked up for it to work at all.

 

[RRitt]

Re: power tilt trim not motor working please help

this is the motor I got says it replaces it .. cant I still just not use the relays and hook up sylnoids or must I have the motor with the 3 wires blue green and black? but the one I got only has 2 wires

Power Tilt Trim Motor Mercury Marine Mariner Outboard Engines Design I 3 Ram 3 Wire Side Fill Integral Systems 99186 99186-1 99186T
by Discount Starter and Alternator

ON 3wire trim motors:
black is common ground and must have a claen, solid connection to Battey (-).
Blue is for up
Green is for down

Internally, the motor windings have a center tap where blue and green meet. If green is grounded while blue is connected then you are instructing the motor to spin in both directions at the same time. (green draws voltage away from armature via the center tap connection). If you ground green (or blue) then you will eventually melt your trim motor.