Problem with de-winterizing

justonian

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So we took the boat (just a small 17' 92 Reinell I/O) to a shop to have it winterized last fall. They did that fine, and told us to bring it back to them for de-winterizing. Fine, we did that. When I pick up the boat, I inquire about the plug - the guy says he doesn't know, so I climb in and look for it. I don't see the plug but I do see this star shaped impeller looking thingie. I pick it up - show it to the guy and say "I haven't the foggiest idea what this is - do you?" He just shrugs "No." And then the plug is found in the side bay - so we're all good. And I pull the boat home.

So the day after we pick the boat back up (yesterday), we took the boat out the Owyhee Res and put it in the water.

It started up perfectly. Backed up. Waited for my dad to go park the truck (maybe 5 minutes). I'm warming up the boat, have it tied to the dock, checking out these chicks over yonder, yadda yadda. I see my dad coming back and look back at the boat - not pretty.

White smoke BILLOWING from the exhaust and up from the engine compartment. I look for a fire - no fire. It took me a second to realize it has to be a coolant issue - I look at the temperature - needle is pegged above 240F. We shut the engine off - it probably did run pegged for 2 minutes or so.

So we load the boat back up and take it up top. While we're putting the straps back on, I happen to notice the coolant hose in the transom is NOT hooked up. So with our handy boat screwdriver, we spent about 90 minutes hooking this hose up and decide that we should put in the water and test it.

We put it back in the water - it was a little difficult to start, but not excessively bad - took about 20-30 seconds of cranking (it may have been flooded at that time). Next - we were looking for smoke and instead we see the green signs of a discharge of anti-freeze. Temperature dropped down to about 150F. We make the assumption that the discharge of anti-freeze is a by-product of an incomplete flush after dewinterizing. We take the boat out for a test run - take it up to about 4500 RPM - I notice the temp is increasing a touch faster than normal. But we lower it back down to about 3500 and temp is constant at about 160-170F.

We go fishing - anchoring up in a few places. After each successive move, it seemed to be just a touch more difficult to start. Like rough. And it did not idle well, and it seemed to die easily once put into gear. We had the throttle cable replaced the year before last when it broke and we had zero reverse. All last year, it ran perfectly (with the exception of a hydraulic issue that was mentioned in the only other thread I've ever wrote here :) ).

I understand a lot of things can be wrong now - heat exchanger issue, warped heads, valves, plugs fried, and maybe a couple of other things I'm forgetting at the moment. I know I need to have this guy check it out and explain to him about the hose, the smoke, the antifreeze discharge, etc.

I guess my question - should I be liable for any of the possible damage? Or should he? That's not an easy hose to see and I wouldn't expect most casual boat owners (like ones who take their boats to boat shops to have them winterized, etc) to notice that it wasn't hooked up. I'm not a happy camper right now.
 

Bt Doctur

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

If the shift cable was routed close to the exaust pipe, plan on replacing that too.
 

Bondo

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

I guess my question - should I be liable for any of the possible damage? Or should he?

Ayuh,... We're here to help You fix your motor/ drive(which you Fail to mention just What they might be)...
Not to lay Blame on Anybody....
 

Don S

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

Hard to say who's fault it is. If the shop ran it on a hose as they all do when dewinterizing, it may have covered up the fact that the raw water pump impeller was bad, and that is what caused it to overheat when just setting in the water.
When was the last time the impeller was replaced?

And what engine do you have in it?
 

justonian

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

Ayuh,... We're here to help You fix your motor/ drive(which you Fail to mention just What they might be)...
Not to lay Blame on Anybody....

I mentioned starting became more difficult. Idle and putting into forward gear became a bit rough. Possible heat exchanger failure. Possible head/valve damage.

I don't mean to be rude, but your above post is not at all helpful.
 

justonian

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

Hard to say who's fault it is. If the shop ran it on a hose as they all do when dewinterizing, it may have covered up the fact that the raw water pump impeller was bad, and that is what caused it to overheat when just setting in the water.
When was the last time the impeller was replaced?

And what engine do you have in it?

I have not looked to see even if the impeller was put back in - and I won't be able to until Thursday although I've talked with my dad who will call the guy today and hopefully get it in to be checked out. Again, I didn't know what that impeller even was until I opened up my book today.

What caused it to overheat was the water coolant line located in the top of the stern drive was NOT hooked up. Or the clamp that holds it on was not put on securely.

I'm about 50 miles from my parents house where the boat is at the moment - it says 3.0 L OMCobra on the top of the arrestor cover.
 

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

I don't mean to be rude, but your above post is not at all helpful.

Ayuh,... And You still haven't said just WHAT DRIVE OR MOTOR We're talkin' about....

Not to be Rude, but We can't Help without the Required Info either....
(just a small 17' 92 Reinell I/O)

To the best of My knowledge, Reinell Never built a Drive, nor a Motor....
 

Bt Doctur

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

Hard to give the correct info when you dont give us the motor type
You mention coolant and heat exchanger but not the type of motor, a severe overheat will affect a lot of things
 

Don S

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

What engine and outdrive do you have? Type of boat doesn't tell us a thing.
Can you post a picture of the "star shaped impeller looking thingie"
 

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

You still haven't mentioned what power package you have. Until that info is put in here, no one can help you. make, year and serial number of the engine/drive. not the boat.
 

justonian

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

You still haven't mentioned what power package you have. Until that info is put in here, no one can help you. make, year and serial number of the engine/drive. not the boat.

3.0L 4 cylinder OMC Cobra. The boat is about 50 miles from me at the moment - i will call my dad later and have him give me the serial number.
 

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

justonian said:
We take the boat out for a test run - take it up to about 4500 RPM - I notice the temp is increasing a touch faster than normal. But we lower it back down to about 3500 and temp is constant at about 160-170F.

We go fishing - anchoring up in a few places. After each successive move, it seemed to be just a touch more difficult to start.

Obviously it took you more than 1 or 2 minutes to do all that.

justonian said:
I have not looked to see even if the impeller was put back in - and I won't be able to until Thursday

There is an impellar in it, if you were able to do all of the above without it overheating again on you within 90 seconds. But as to the condition of the impellar, and the rest of the entire cooling system, who knows.
 

justonian

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

What engine and outdrive do you have? Type of boat doesn't tell us a thing.
Can you post a picture of the "star shaped impeller looking thingie"

It looks exactly like the water pump impeller on a 1990-1995 King Cobra stern drive unit.
 

justonian

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

Obviously it took you more than 1 or 2 minutes to do all that.



There is an impellar in it, if you were able to do all of the above without it overheating again on you within 90 seconds. But as to the condition of the impellar, and the rest of the entire cooling system, who knows.

Argh. Yes, it took more than 1 or 2 minutes to fish. Again, the initial issue - the boat overheated. It did run for about 1 or 2 minutes with the temperature guage pegged at 240+F. After we FOUND AND HOOKED UP THE COOLANT HOSE ON THE TRANSOM, we put it back in the water and did a test run - the temperature came back down. We did choose to continue our fishing trip as the boat was operating within specs.

The only real question I'm asking is whether or not the mechanic who did the winterize/de-winterize should be liable for any damages that MAY HAVE occured (AND I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT ANY DAMAGES MAY HAVE OCCURED - the list is possible heat exchanger damage, warped valves, plugs burned, warped heads, etc.)
 

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

If you bought the boat AS IS you are the one responsible for checking it out first
 

justonian

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

If you bought the boat AS IS you are the one responsible for checking it out first

That's not even an issue. This is the 3rd year I've had the boat. This is an issue concerning myself, my father, and the mechanic who did the work on the boat - the mechanic never owned the boat.

ETA: Nevermind what was removed from this post. I get it now.
 

Don S

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

If that hose was off the transom shield when you started it, you should have seen a stream of water the size of your thumb shooting into the engine compartment. Didn't you notice it?

As bondo mentioned earlier, we aren't here to help lay blame on anyone, we can't without actually seeing the engine and drive and actually looking at things. We are only able to "see" things by what you alone type.
 

justonian

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

If that hose was off the transom shield when you started it, you should have seen a stream of water the size of your thumb shooting into the engine compartment. Didn't you notice it?

As bondo mentioned earlier, we aren't here to help lay blame on anyone, we can't without actually seeing the engine and drive and actually looking at things. We are only able to "see" things by what you alone type.

Understood. There was no water streaming into the engine compartment. It was the aft end of the hose that was unconnected. Looking at a breakdown of the 1989-93 Cobra stern drive - the hose mentioned is the Inlet Water Hose that goes from the upper gear housing unit to the exhaust and water return on the aft end of the SDU. So the unconnected end would have been the end that goes into the exhaust and water return - either way, both ends are external to the engine compartment - they are located in the top of the SDU.
 

Bt Doctur

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

If it`s the one i`m thinking about, there is no need to remove that hose except for replacement , you sure the clamp didnt just rot away
 

justonian

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Re: Problem with de-winterizing

If it`s the one i`m thinking about, there is no need to remove that hose except for replacement , you sure the clamp didnt just rot away

We reused the same clamp. It was not rusted at all and seemed to tighten up just fine after we were able to get the hose back in place and get a screwdriver at the right angle to be able to turn it. It wasn't exactly easy lying on my back on black asphalt, but it did tighten up and held securely for the rest of the day.

Also, I just got off the phone with my dad - why he didn't mention this before, I have no idea. When he took the boat in last fall to have it winterized, he had them change out the water pump impeller (why, I have no idea) - so that part of it should be a non-issue. I suppose it's possible they disconnected the hose when they replaced the impeller?
 
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