Prop Selection (hwsiii Please?)

camaro82

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Hi all just a question for hwsiii about prop selection.

1. Year, make and model of boat
1972 Pride Capella

See... http://news.google.com.au/newspapers?id=21EVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=cOUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3218,1636805&dq=pride+capella&hl=en

2. Length, width and base weight of boat, look for boat decal on back of boat
13ft2in, 5ft7in, 450lb without motor, 635lb with motor

2a.What is the maximum recommended HP for your boat
80hp

3. Number of people and gallons of gas normally on boat
2 adults...13 gallons of gas (450lb)


4. What do you use the boat for
60% - fishing
40% - kneeboarding, wakeboarding


5. Is it a Deep Vee and if so how many degrees of Deadrise
No, 18degrees deadrise

6. Year, manufacturer and model of motor
1974?, mercury blueband 402

7. HP and gear ratio of motor IMPORTANT
If you don?t know the ratio, you need to pull the plugs out and put a piece of tape across the prop and the lower unit and then cut it between the prop and the housing then do the same thing on the flywheel and turn the motor until the tape lines up with each other on the prop, it is easier if two people do this, so one can watch the prop while the other counts the revolutions of the motor
40hp, 2:1 Gear Ratio

8. Manufacturer?s recommended Wide Open Throttle (WOT) range
4800-5300 RPM

9. Anti-ventilation Plate height above the bottom of the transom of boat if it is an outboard in inches, use a straight edge or a board under the keel and sticking out to the anti ventilation plate for a reference, and take about 4 pictures for us to see.

about even

10. Is it a bass boat or does it have a pad bottom
no

11. Does it have a hydrafoil, dolefin or trim tabs
Has trim tabs

12. Manufacturer, model, diameter, pitch, number of blades and whether SS or aluminum props.
IMPORTANT
Merc Quicksilver, 11.5? diameter, 13 pitch, 3 blades, aluminium

13. WOT RPM and speed from your current prop and how much gas and how many people were in the boat for the test data and is the speed by GPS. Make sure you trim the prop up until it starts ventilating and then just trim in until it quits ventilating. If you do not have a tach you can buy a Tiny Tach for less than $ 50
RPM ___________ Speed (GPS)___________ No. of people ____________ Gal. Gas ________

WOT 4800rpm @ 26.5mph, 2 people, 5.3 gallons

14. Are you at sea level or a higher elevation, give us the elevation in feet __________

sea level

15. Has your motor been tuned up lately and have you checked that the carburetor butterfly is opening all the way by only using the control on the console, checked compression, looked at the plugs and checked spark, is the bottom of the boat clean and barnacle free, and have you checked the Tachometer against a mechanics tach, all of the foregoing could be the reason your prop is not attaining full RPM.

Everything ok.

16. How long has this prop been on the boat and why, at this time, do you think it is the wrong prop.

Came with boat, unknown history, doesnt reach in the rpm range

17. Does the prop show any damage that you can see

just a little worn

18. What problems are you trying to cure or what are you looking for the boat to do that it is not doing the way you think it should or to your expectations

Maybe something to get it into the right rpms. As a starter prop to do the actual performance tests I'm looking for a 'middle ground' prop. Aluminum, as it less expensive and may be replaced when the tests are done.

19. If you are trying to attain a better cruising speed and fuel savings or trying to attain a faster speed I will want you to take your boat and run it with 1 or 2 people and give me the RPM and speed readings starting at 3,000 RPM in 500 RPM increments all the way to WOT.
1. 3000 RPM
2. 3500 RPM
3. 4000 RPM
4. 4500 RPM
5. 5000 RPM
6. 5500 RPM
7. 6000 RPM

Unavailable

I also have a 15pitch propellor that i tried which gave be a lower speed and lower rpms so obviously straining the motor, i also have another 13pitch prop with a smaller diameter of around 10" i dont know what difference the less diameter would make compared to the current one?
 

hwsiii

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Re: Prop Selection (hwsiii Please?)

Camaro, from the numbers you gave me I am showing your prop slip to be only 10% and that is very good, but you are running in the very bottom of your recommended RPM as you stated. I am assuming that if the edge of the prop was in better shape you might gain about 100 RPM hopefully. My recommendation is to buy the EXACT same make and model of prop you have now except in a 12" pitch and your RPM should rise to right at maximum and your speed ought to be right at the same. The numbers I used to arrive at this recommendation are following.

Prop Pitch Change

amaro82Pithhange.jpg


Prop Slip

amaro82PropSlip.jpg


You did not mention what manufacturer or model the other 13" pitch prop was, but you did say the diameter was much less, but if the blade surface area looks to be larger than the Merc even though it is a smaller diameter you might just give it a try before purchasing the new one.


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camaro82

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Re: Prop Selection (hwsiii Please?)

Ok thanks for that, the other 13pitch prop is a mercury prop as well but just smaller in diameter. Ill try that one and if that doesnt work ill go for the 12pitch prop, thanks for your help.
 

hwsiii

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Re: Prop Selection (hwsiii Please?)

Camaro, you are very welcome. Let me know what your new numbers are when you get them please.


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