Prop shaft question

pascoea

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Evening all. I have a question for you regarding the propeller shaft on my 1984 merc 75hp (ELPT I believe)

Long story, TL;DR below: Boat is new to me. Had it on the water for the 1st time a couple weeks go. I didn't think to check the lower unit oil (I know, I know) until this last weekend. When I pulled the drain plug I got nothing but water out of it. (literally. no oil.) There was a decent sized glob of metal shavings on the magnet. So I blew it out, filled it with the requisite gear lube, spun the motor a bit by hand, drained the oil, and re-filled it. No metal shavings this time.

The next morning I notice a small puddle underneath the motor. First thought was it was just the remainder of what had ran out of the vent hole as I was filling it. We took it out on the water that day. Just to be double sure, I drained the lube again when I got home and it was milky. (Crap) A minor amount of metal shavings on the magnet. (Not unexpected)

In my futzing around I discovered there is a perceptible amount of side to side play on the prop. In and out it feels solid.

Last bit of back story: I'm reasonably sure the metal is from the shifting pawls/dogs, as I can see where I may have been a little aggressive with my shifting. The mating surfaces of the gears still appear to be in pristine order.

[TL;DR]: I know my shaft seals are crap, so I have those sitting in my shopping cart. My three actual questions:

1) I assume the needle bearing on the prop side of the carrier is the cause of the weeble-wobble in the prop shaft. Would you guys concur? Here's a link to a video showing the play in the bearing: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pLm...ew?usp=sharing

2) I also assume that the jack-wagon that was in this before me tried to get the seals out without removing the carrier. [see pics below] Is this shaft destine for the scrap bin, or do you think it could be rescued with a bit of emery cloth and some spare time? (Or other suggestions)

3) Is there anything else you guys would replace while the lower is apart (save for the usual stuff like the water pump)

Thank you in advance!
 

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jerryjerry05

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Those look like vise grip marks.
Now I wonder why anyone would put grips on a seal surface??

I have seen a repair that could work.
Marine Tex
Clean the shaft, use a propane torch to get the oil/crud,grease out of the cuts.
Then use a cleaner that leaves no residue.
Fill the holes and let dry.
Fit in a lathe or figure some way to turn it.
Sand it till it leaves just the MT in the grooves.
The seals should ride over that with no problem.

IF?? you have any doubt about the bearings?? REPLACE

There are some on ebay. Starting at $59 New over 450$
 

pascoea

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jerryjerry05 thank you for the advice. As far as why someone would use vice grips on a shaft like that? No idea, but I would tend to concur with your assessment. I just can't think of a single good reason why they would have had to secure the shaft, other than to make some poor schmuck's (me) life miserable.

Faztbullet thank you as well. After I posted I found a couple shafts on ebay (as Jerry noted above) and would tend to agree. For 50$ not worth the hassle/risk of trying to fix it the existing one. It'll make a nice paper weight somewhere.

Replacing the shaft, am I going to need to re-shim things? That seems more like a function of the bearing carrier/thrust bearing mating surface than the shaft construction.

Thanks for your help gents. Any other opinions are certainly welcome.
 

pascoea

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In case anyone cares about a follow up. I found a brand new in packaging shaft on fleabay for $100 shipped. After some minor swearing and bleeding, it's back together. There is still a perceptible play (side to side) on the prop shaft though. I guess I assume there is some room for the metal to expand due to heat? I would have expected it to be tighter.
 

racerone

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Needle bearings are designed to have some play in them.-----Measure with a dial indicator.
 
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