pull start spring replacement

gvegas88

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I just took apart the winding system for the starting rope on my 1970 Johnson Seahorse 6hp to replace the pinion gear. Well, when I removed the pin to change out the pinion gear, the spring unwound so fast and managed to break itself. The replacemet sprint cost me $60 and I really don't want to break the new one. The only issue that I see coming up would be winding up the new spring. I'm not sure how much tension it should be under or what tool works best to wind up the spring. There is a groove on either side of the rod that winds the spring but I can't think of anything that would work well to wind it. How should I approach this and wind up the new spring? Thanks, Tyler
 

R.Johnson

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Re: pull start spring replacement

A service manual will show the special tool to hold the spring cartridge. It is hard to discribe here. A service manual is a big help when dealing with any rewind starter.
 

F_R

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Re: pull start spring replacement

There is a specific number of turns to pre-load the spring. Unfortunatly, I don't remember how many. But the manual will tell.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: pull start spring replacement

Here's what the OMC manual for a 1974 6hp says. Anything in () was added by me for clarification.

I know it will be hard to decipher without the diagrams or a parts manual but I hoping it will help a bit.



REASSEMBLY OF STARTER

a. If removed, heat spool bushings in hot water and install on spool.
b. Place starter head with pinion gear spring on starter spool.
c. Insert spring retainer in spool. Place pinion gear on spool. Align slot in gear with holes in spool and spring retainer. Insert roll pin with its split seam in horizontal position to avoid dragging against slot in pinion gear. See Figure 7-5. (which I wish I could provide but don't have a scanner to turn a pic of it into a jpeg).


NOTE: Do not lubricate pinion gear. Oil here will attract dirt, causing pinion to bind on spool. Lubricate upper and lower spool busings with a drop of outboard lubricant. Apply OMC Sea-Lube* Anti-corrosion Lube to spring on pinion gear. See Lubrication Chart, pages 2-4 and 2-5. (The chart basically says to re-lube the anti-corrosion Lube every 60 days for freshwater use and every 30 days for saltwater use)

d. Insert spring into bottom of spool; turn to engage with slot of spring retainer.

REASSEMBLY OF STARTER TO POWER HEAD

a. Place bushing in spring retainer plate.
b. Twist spring to lock inner spring retainer. Pull end of outer spring out of spool and lock spring on retainer. See fig. 7-9.
c. Place guide into starter plate. Insert spring hook into retainer plate slot. Raise retainer plate to hold spring. Install front retainer plate screw and tighten rear screw. Remove spring from spring retainer. Install starter assembly to intake manifold.
d. Raise pinion gear to engage flywheel and lock in position with handle of pliers. (No diagram so I will have to describe - use handle portions of pliers under the pinion gear, with the head, or jaw section, of the pliers facing the rear of the motor, rest the jaw section on top of the throttle arm where it makes the transition from vertical to horisontal) Turn flywheel clock-wise with wrench (on crankshaft nut) counting 16-1/2 turns of pinion gear.
e. Install rope as described in Replacement of Starter Rope.

REPLACEMENT OF STARTER ROPE

(a. through c.: Have to do with removing the old rope, which you have already done.)
d. Cut new rope to a length of 56-1/2 inches, and fuse ends over a flame for a length of 1/2 inch. Ends must be stiff to hold in in spool or rope anchor. Thread rope through slot into starter spool.
e. Thread rope through motor cover and install rope handle using Threading Tool part number 378774. See Figure 7-5. (This just shows a tool to get the rope through the rubber rope handle. It really isn't that hard to get it through without one).
f. Holding starter rope handle to keep starter from rapidly rewinding, remove pliers from under starter pinion gear ( see item "d" in Reassembly section, above) Allow starter rope to rewind normally.
 

gvegas88

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Re: pull start spring replacement

very interesting, That sounds like it shouldn't be too bad. My visual picture is of me basically using the flywheel to wind up the spring? I guess I will understand how the pliers are used when I get the spring tommorow and start to set it. I really appreciate that information and I'm sure it will all make sense when I am looking at the motor. Thanks, Tyer
 

jay_merrill

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Re: pull start spring replacement

Basically all you are doing with the pliers is to hold the pinion gear up agaist the flywheel teeth so it will turn as you rotate the flywheel. Other wise it would drop back down as soon as you took your hand off of it. Since the handle part of the pliers will open, and fit around the shaft that the pinion gear rides on, you can put it in place with the individual handle pieces on either side of the shaft. Those pieces then become the thing that the pinion gear rests on. You then rest the other end of the pliers on top of the throttle arm that runs from the port side of the cowl, behind the starter mechanism, up and backwards (90 degree bend to horizontal) to an arm that goes under the armature plate.

LOL - its hard to explain something visual with words. I need a scanner!
 
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DJ

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Re: pull start spring replacement

Patience, patience, patience! Follow the manual steps.

That procedure is like trying to stuff mad cats into a bag.
 

PW2

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Re: pull start spring replacement

I did one on my 75 6 hp. Not sure if it is the same as the 70.

It was pretty easy once I figured out how to get the spring retainer to fit in the slot provided. It required loosening, but not removing the bolt on one side of the bottom retainer plate--while completely removing the other bolt.

Not sure how to describe it accurately, but it was pretty easy once I got the proper manual for that motor, and actually read the instructions.

Good luck.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: pull start spring replacement

That procedure is like trying to stuff mad cats into a bag.

LMAO! Yup, it is! Actually, I don't do what the manual says at all but I would have to go out and replace one again to remember the exact sequence of the JM method." Basically, it involves winding the rope onto the drum and compressing the spring at the same time. I just wind until the rope is all the way on and I can barely hold the thing with one hand so that I can put the top piece back on and bolt it in.
 

gvegas88

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Re: pull start spring replacement

I finally today I built up the courage to attack the motor. Let me say that replacing that spring was so easy due to your advice, Thanks. The spring wound up great and works better than before. Thanks again, tyler
 

steelespike

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Re: pull start spring replacement

This is a little late but I have had good luck heating and rebending the end of the spring on recoils.Haven't done a pinion type but it seems it would work.
 
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